EP 002 / 28.10.2020
DECODING HUMAN PERFORMANCE
Farah Nanji: 0:00
You're listening to the Mission Makers show, a podcast that inspires humans to get into the mindset of success. My name's Farah Nanji. And I'm the founder of a business in the Motorsports industry that explores leadership lessons from things like Formula One. I'm also a DJ and music producer in the underground electronic scene, and a public speaker on key topics like resilience, building high performance teams, overcoming learning difficulties and stimulating creativity. And to tie it all together, I love writing thought provoking content as a journalist with these industries, which is so unique in themselves. On this show, I'm sitting down with some of the most inspiring and driven people I've met around the world to talk about their processes, their failures, the lessons they've learned, and how they are truly making an impact in this world.
We're joined this week by the mental performance coach to many successful racing drivers, including a couple of drivers on the Formula One grid. His name is Enzo moochie, and his story is a fascinating one. From humble beginnings, Enza was determined to become a racing driver, and he made his debut in the 90s. He went on to win the British Formula for championship and shortly afterwards, he realised that his true fulfilment came from helping others to bridge that gap from their potential to their actual performance. his life's mission is to decode human performance. And in this episode, he shares with us how he's helped many drivers master their mental state, because after all, like in many sports, motor racing is a very mental sport in both senses of the word.
Hi,how are you doing today?
Enzo Mucci: 1:43
Really good. Thank you consider all in isolation. It's, I think it's like yourself, we're still working. But we're trying to do in our passion more than anything else now. So yeah, I'm busier than normal in different ways, but making it work somehow.
Farah Nanji: 1:59
Very good. Very good. And so whereabouts in the UK are you?
Enzo Mucci: 2:05
Bournemouth, we're just outside of Bournemouth in the New Forest. So I'm at home in the office. And that's where I've been now for, I think, two months. Because with the race in it, usually we start around March anyway. So we're just gearing up to go to the f1 Bahrain race. And then it all started to go south. As you know, we were out there two weeks before that. And it was, it was barely doable. Then everybody was being tested. And that was the beginning of March, I believe to remember. Yeah. And that's been the last trip we've done. So I've been home since then.
Farah Nanji: 2:42
Wow. Have you ever been in for such a long period of time?
Enzo Mucci: 2:47
No. Even even in winter, actually, I'm normally complaining about it. But now it's the other way around. Normally winter, we finish in early December. But we're probably back in January at some point or we could be in New Zealand if we're doing the championship over there. So then it never stops. You're in Macau and things on. In November. December is a bit of a test and then it can carry on. So some years. I've done like four years in a row, which is the same as everyone else, really. So that's why I'm complaining. But it's not seasonal. Like it used to be.
Farah Nanji: 3:19
Yeah. How many years have you been on the road?
Enzo Mucci: 3:23
Since I was 19, I was actually about 2002. I mean, I started coaching and in motorsport in 98. But it was mostly just the old circuit in Britain, and the male driver, but actually going abroad was around 2002 onwards, and then full time from about 2005. So yeah, I'm weathered. still fighting strong.
Farah Nanji: 3:49
So for everybody who's tuned in today and doesn't know you, I'd love it if you told us a little bit about, who you are and what your mission is?
Enzo Mucci: 4:01
I started off as a race driver, I Well, actually just just a council flat kid, with big ideas of becoming a race driver, my dad's Italian, so you can guess that's where the name comes from. And he was a factory worker then owned a pizza shop, sorry to go like the complete history, but I just wrote it off. So I worked for him for ages and then wanted to be this race driver. And I got to my late teens, and saved up for my first car. And when racing just about won a British title in the second year and racing was going okay, but actually, around three, four years in I started to get addicted to mental performance. And it started with this technique or this science, if you want to call it a theory, silver, Sal VA and I went to London and studied that and then that was it. And I started to get into people like Tony Robbins and all this and then the fascination of that Have overtook, pardon the pun racing. And I started to coach drivers in that way. And that was around the mid 2000s. And since then, because that seemed to feed me more than racing, believe it or not, I think racing is a bit selfish. It's more like it's all about you, that kind of wears off as you get a bit older normally. And when you make a difference to someone else's life, it was life coaching as well. That was a big shock to me in terms of how much I fell in love with that. So the passion really was to let people escape whatever's going through in their life at the moments, and I merged it with racing to help drivers perform better, and then a bit in different sports as well. So it's basically helping people get the best out of themselves. And that, as you probably noticed yourself, it's addictive. Its contribution and the grandest scale, and it never stops, challenges never stopped. So the mission really is to change the world. But the mission is a one one person at a time. And I suppose in sport, they kind of got the same beliefs where they want to be better. So that's obviously where I'm glued to. But obviously, now I'm moving into the executive world where it's similar, and teaching the same skills from what I did in sport to the corporate world, just starting that. So that's where I am now.
Farah Nanji: 6:21
Very interesting. I've got loads of questions about that. But before we go into that, how old were you when you got your first car and you decided you wanted to go race?
Enzo Mucci: 6:31
It was 96. So I was 19 when I got the race licence in Donington Park, they did a race score for a week. And then it took two years to save up, finally convincing myself to go for it, maybe taught the dad round, because he wasn't paying for it. But he was saying, It's obviously a sport for different kinds of people, and so not us. So that was two years of that hurdle. And then eventually just went for it with a bank loan, and all sorts of little sponsors everywhere, all over the car. So that was 20 years old, then 1920. And yeah, by the time I was 26, I was coaching.
Farah Nanji: 7:09
And before the age of 18, did you feel either a consciousness or even in an unconsciousness way, that it was your calling?
Enzo Mucci: 7:20
Yeah. A calling to something when you haven't got a clue what it is. And I think we can all sort of align with that, or, because we've all been there. And it's like, when you're a kid, figuring things out, you know, the kid, the parents are split up, you're living in not a great environment, you know, you know, you deserve more. And you don't know what that is, and the kind of people I was with these days, they didn't want more, you know, if you wanted more than you'd be sort of judged. So I was living in that kind of environment, really. But I knew there was something and then racing was where I could really put all my time into and that was it, then I lived a different life completely left the old one behind. But that's I think the sport gave me an escape. It wasn't like that in living in the hood type thing. But still, it was just a normal kid knocking around the streets of the UK, around McDonald's, that kind of thing growing up. But then yeah, sport gave me the escape, it showed me the possibility of you can do whatever you want, if you put your mind to it, which we're bored of hearing, but it's so true. Just little actions per day, over two years, all of a sudden, you're in a car winning races, like how the hell did that happen? So I think it was kind of that's, that's addictive as well. Yeah.
Farah Nanji: 8:37
That force, you know, is full of going from being surrounded by people who might have self limiting beliefs, and motivated to go for anything else out in the world. And now you're one of the most inspirational motivational people. And I'd love to be working with you.
Enzo Mucci: 8:53
Thank you. So you are you actually.
Farah Nanji: 8:55
Sometimes I do feel when you don't have it, it makes you more hungry. And the drive is just the opposite. It's a lot more visible. And so you mentioned, to change the world, and how do you communicate that with your clients? What do you do to help them work towards that goal?
Enzo Mucci: 9:20
First of all, to change the world is obviously just a flippant statement that I said, but it's also I think, if we have people that do help people become better in a genuine way that in your own little world makes a difference. It's impossible to go any further than that, obviously. So that's what I mean by that is changing the reality of the people that do work with me or I'm engaged with, let's just say it that way. And it feels like you're changing the world then. It's a diluted goal of mine. But I would say that if they come to somebody and they pay somebody to help them, do whatever, you know, overcome Certain self beliefs, like you say, limiting ones, or they've gone through something in the past, which is stopping them going through it again. Now there are others worried about what other people think they're still living under the rules of people that have brought them up, that haven't got the life that they want, they're still living under their rules, they come to me to overcome them. And I can't say if there's a success rate or not. But you always if you've got somebody coming into your life like a coach, they see things a little bit of a different way, because they're not as attached, they've probably been through it themselves. So they can sort of share stories. And even if they make like a tiny little shift in their daily habits, or they just, they spend now only 10%, on negative thoughts instead of 50. That changes their life and their destiny as it is the path that they're walking on. So actually, it's very easy to change someone's life, just by giving them a few mental strategies, something different to focus on self belief, and then it sort of plays out.
Farah Nanji: 10:55
Yeah, definitely. Difficult, yes, like a domino effect, because then they impact somebody else with an action you may not have taken before. And also, you know, you've got some great material out there, for people who may not be able to interact with you personally, also, in your tribe, listen to your staff, and it kind of, it's like, it is a success habit, sometimes I knew if I want to be lifted up, when I just, take about two hour drive, and I want to come out with feeling inspired, I'm gonna I'm gonna call on your podcast. And it's amazing how far your work can go. I actually remember I was in Uganda, in August, last year, and I was invited by a region to race to see a rally that he was part of, and his co pilot actually knew of you and said that you listen to your stuff all the time. And, and he was literally like, he's like this, this kid in Uganda his dream is to get behind the wheel, he's got a long road ahead of him, a lot of financial barriers, a lot of stuff. And it's just amazing that, you know, you're working really spread that far. And so talking about, so you told us that, the footprint you want to leave on the earth? Do you feel like, what drives your success habits today, are the same as what they were, when you were 18? Or has it all evolved over time?
Enzo Mucci: 12:24
I think it's evolved, I think it's gotten a lot better. Before, when you start coaching, you sort of see from a hymn sheet, and attempt to do it yourself, and fail like 70% of the time when you're really because you're actually coaching yourself when you're coaching others when you start. But now, I think it's just, it's constant affirmations to be saved from telling other people it bleeds into yours. So I say I'd say everyone's different in how they do it, you know, teach people to get up, do their morning routine, which could be it could be something slides about what you're going to think about today. What puts a smile on your face is one thing you're grateful for and even on the flip side, what if you don't do it a bit of pain as well, and you get up and do it. And you're in your and you're on fire already. So it can be that slides, not just a jog outside and things. But you say that to somebody who is a DJ, or somebody who works to four in the morning, anytime to get up at five. Everyone's different. So first of all, you have to kind of know their lifestyle, where they're there might be a night person, and they really start to get creative at night. I don't know if that is you, but a lot of people are. So yeah, so my personal one is to get up early. And straightaway, the mind is already firing up and thinking of things to do. So I'll just have to get out. So it's actually a condition now, where I'll beat the alarm like most people do when they're doing something they're passionate about. You'd be the alarm, you get up and you go, so you don't need motivation anymore. I try and I think the overall philosophy is trying to win the day by the time it gets to now well, 12 o'clock, so to say, lunchtime, and if you have completely crushed that morning, yeah, you can have the rest of the day off. If one but you don't because you're on a momentum. So I think that's always been my focus. It's like right, if I've got the main obstacle or whatever I've got to do that day to do a list I try to smash through that as quickly as possible. And I really enjoy that. I see it as a bit of a challenge, I think. And then after a few weeks it becomes a complete automatic habit. Yeah, you'd have to work at it anymore. You still have days when you wake up in your eyes won't open. Actually it was today like that, I must admit because I went to bed fairly early. I think it's because we're in isolation. Now. My sleep is all over the place. Then woke up at three and was up till half six. So then I went to sleep another two hours and it's like then you're dead. So no one does it every single day. You get to get days where you're all over the place because we've got lots going on at the minute. So um, yeah, when the day by 12. Let's just say that.
Farah Nanji: 14:59
Yeah. Think, it's what you said is like that, I think that some of the hardest hurdles about that is just getting just doing it, just getting up doing it. Get one today that you know, you're not gonna waste time. But it's good to get in. And the first thing and keeping that consistent, obviously. And the other part of it.
Enzo Mucci: 15:17
You know, when I find it hard, or when I think people find it hard as well is when you're not getting results from what you're doing. If you are getting results tonight, right? I've got this interview with BBC today at 12 o'clock, 11 o'clock, I've got this happening that happened in motivation is not normally a problem, unless you're burnt out. But it's not normally a problem. It's when you've been pounding at something, you've got certain people in your life that don't really believe you in you, and you've got to prove to them, but it's not happening quick enough, you actually know deep down that you're not actually working hard enough. That's the cycle that seems to hurt people the most. Whereas they get a tiny bit of a result, action result action and then on, there are no days off, then you don't want any days off. So I think it's it's like a cycle,
Farah Nanji: 16:03
You're calling the negative part of psychological breakdown.
Enzo Mucci: 16:07
I break through it by evaluating every single week. So give yourself a week. Don't be too hard on yourself every single day. It's like, right, it's Sunday, How the hell did I do this week. And then you can really judge it and assess it and say, right, this is not good enough. I'm below my standard. I'll let it slip again. What I forgot to do in the next five days for it to be a really good day, a really good week. Sorry. And you say that what that is you say what has to be done for that? And you follow through and you make it your challenge? Yeah. And then again, that becomes addictive because you actually smash out a week you do it? Well, not actually that worked. And they keep doing it. So it's a habit thing, really, it's not like I don't like trying to get into the right mental state in order to work. I like to work to get into the right mental state, if that's what if you know what I mean? Otherwise, you can't see trying to pump yourself up and one day like this, listen to the music again, like that. But you're just chasing an emotion there as if you do something you're really passionate about, you'll love it. And you don't need motivation really could be video editing could be anything because I get really passionate about that, believe it or not, I could spend 12 hours preparing a show of mine or even highlights from an esport race and then recently, and I think it's the creative side again, you'll know that you get lost in that, but I know it's going towards the mission as well. Deep down.
Farah Nanji: 17:32
And you've got a pretty good audience and you're also not going to put out for policy.
Enzo Mucci: 17:39
Yeah, I don't have any rules. It's if I wake up unshaven or whatever, just record whatever's on your mind. I think now and I spoke to somebody today who is heavily into the corporate world, and high up as well. And he said, people now they want raw. Remember speaking to yourself, and he was saying, right, we're doing this podcast, we want to get it right. And actually then you were like, you know what, we're just going to do it. It's not perfect, especially now because we're all at home. And that's what people love they want they don't they don't want polished anymore. They want to joke like the Joe Rogan type stuff. They want real people that were the heart on the sleeve. You can see straight through them. They're not pretending I think that's more sellable now, and that's what I do on the show, really, but just no longer talk about when to press play sometimes.
Farah Nanji: 18:28
No, definitely. I mean I've been doing live streaming things and, lots of DJs are doing and one of the points of feedback A lot of people have been saying from audiences, it's so amazing to see like the living rooms of, john digweed, or whoever it is. To really, so many savings I've seen, like these huge bookshelves and vinyls and you can really see and, their home environment and it reflects a lot. Yeah, yeah. Do you have digital apps that you use to keep you on the right track?
Enzo Mucci: 19:00
Good question. Didn't expect that one. I just bought this. Can you see that? stream deck? Yeah. And it's got like, all the different like, you've got the website, you got the bank. I'm just starting to use it. But this is like a DJs button set. And I've got all my apps. OBS is what I do the recording stuff around. So if I want to open it, bang, just press that. I'm starting to play with it. That's my new gadget. So it's got everything on it YouTube, even send an invoice if you can you can just set it up as you like. So that's, that's actual hardware. But I'd say in the past, I've used freedom. Yeah. Have you seen that where it cuts you off from the internet. So you say I'm not allowed to use the internet from now till whatever time and it doesn't let you in unless you really want to take it off, but it doesn't make you want to kill the device. That was a really good one when writing a book when I've got to do something. And if I do need to research because that's what really He's distraction. Normally he stopped to research and you got down that wormhole. I just write it down or put a star next to it and stress and say, I'll do the research later and keep writing. So that was a big one. I think I don't use anything like Hootsuite or anything. That's social media, I should just do it on the on the bounce, then if you do,
Farah Nanji: 20:20
I used it lots of times in the past, but I'm trying to keep my social media. It's not. It's not meant to be so scheduled. And so, like, I just wanted to just live in real time, or they're not focused too much on it. Just like, it's like, yeah,
Enzo Mucci: 20:35
I think that the best piece of software is social media. Because there's so many now, there aren't a few, like when I update, sorry, upload something on Instagram. Obviously, it goes straight to Facebook, then you do too at the same time, then copy paste Twitter, if it's relevant. LinkedIn if it is relevant, not not too sporty, but more business. And even on YouTube now has got pretty much a profile and a wall. So you can post on that normal now like you would with Facebook. So that comes the fifth one should we say and even Tick Tock so I think we talked about software and stuff like that. That's really the best marketing and mission statement you could ever have.
Farah Nanji: 21:16
Do you have any apps that you use that you find to stay organised? Whether it's Slack, or headspace, just anything that you feel you have to have?
Enzo Mucci: 21:31
Yeah, but I'll tell you what, I'm just so I'm just looking through my phone now. Sorry, about that kind of thing. You know what I'm just so in on the gamma Just do it. But don't know, I'm really got many apps just that freedom that keeps me in.
Farah Nanji: 21:46
Maybe, whatever works for you, I would maybe, let's say Spotify, and you've been waiting.
Enzo Mucci: 21:54
Now I've got my I've got that. Yeah, got that. And actually, YouTube, I use for background music. So if I put music that's good to work to bear and then it's usually got something a bit dancy in the background constantly playing all the time. So I'm glad I've got that. musics big for me,
Farah Nanji: 22:12
What type of music are you into?
Enzo Mucci: 22:15
Everything that's got a bit of a beat in terms of your type of music. But actually, the ones that really get me going are also old school like rocky soundtrack. Still, now that 70s music still sounds good to me. It's unbelievable. Cuz I grew up with it. And it was there throughout my racing as well. So that's powerful. Anything kind of Rocky as well, just with anything with energy? Really?
Farah Nanji: 22:40
High Energy music.
Enzo Mucci: 22:42
Yeah. And if it's got the hostile standards, now, it's a bit controversial. You heard them know, the beast. Some of their songs are good as well. not for the faint hearted, though. Yeah. But that's a good one, if you want to rage.
Farah Nanji: 22:58
Obviously, we know that you work in the motorsport world, and you have had the absolute pleasure to work with some Formula One drivers. What do you see that they do differently compared to the people that are a bit lower on their career path?
Enzo Mucci: 23:20
A big one is self awareness in a way that they can be told constantly, where they're not enough. So they come into the pit garriage, and they're hungry to find out what their teammates are doing better than them, or what they can do better if they didn't do as good this time as they did last time. It's that hunger to close the gap to perfection, even though they know that's completely not possible, because there's so many components that have to come together, elements have to come together to even a lap, a perfect lap takes a long time, happens like twice in a driver's life. So I think it's that dedication to find their weaknesses, and having no ego about it. And there's people you know, there's plenty as half maybe in f1, that haven't got that. But the ones that are really like the centres and that like they're just ruthless at finding out where they lack, and they don't try and protect it. Yeah, they fear they want it to be exposed to improve themselves, and which is good because you can't hide in motorsport, because you just breathe on the throttle, and it's recorded somewhere on the data trace, so you can't hide. And I think that's a great thing to learn in the business world as well, is where people are trying to protect their jobs, by things they're not too good at because they're worried about the boss. It usually ends up in a bad way anyway. But you get someone in business that's a bit hard on the sleeve really doesn't care about their downfalls. If they've got a downfall, they'll hire someone or get someone to do that for them. That kind of person is the one that succeeds as well. So I think it's relatable to anything. It's having that no ego. I'm a human being. We're all the same and on Improving, I'm doing something every day just to go 1% better. Yeah. And that's addictive to be bi as well keep using that word, but it is if you've got someone like that in your team, you want to help them, it makes you feel like, Okay, I've got to improve who can keep up with this person. So then the team raises all together. It's a philosophy.
Farah Nanji: 25:20
Yeah, I like the 1% rule. I mean, racing is a school of hard knocks. So you get quite familiar, and you need to get used to constantly being obsessive moving forwards, where you can be better. Maybe the mindset is a bit more open towards that feedback. But it is harder when you're not an athlete, and you're not used to having that level of critique. Yeah, and, you know, all the way with the new money's coming in, and all that stuff. So, anyway, we'll see that it Next is, um, yeah, we're in lockdown. What is life asking you to do differently now?
Enzo Mucci: 26:04
It's actually increased the speed of coaching. So before it was something you know, you should do. And you sort of added on as part of your coaching, but it's kind of like you got 5% 10% of your clients that do it. All of a sudden, you got to say, Now hundred percent of the clients are going to be on a coaching, so better get this down. So then you buy an all you're going on to the zooms, you're getting a better mic. So all that kind of things change and, and it's great, because in our industry, you can with the simulator, you can do that now. So the mental coaching is still the same, we can still do them sessions. But now I developed an Esports racing season series, and we've got 90 drivers in it. And you got a couple, Lando was in it latifi and a couple of IndyCar drivers. So they've all turned up. So my drivers enter that, that and compete against them. And I coach them using that as the training ground. Like how did you crumble under pressure in qualifying? You know what I mean? So you can still do exactly the same debriefs as you do if it was a real life race. And it's televised, it's live streamed and everything's for this pressure of people watching and everybody's quick,
Farah Nanji: 27:16
Is that in F1?
Enzo Mucci: 27:19
it's in an F3, but I do it on the iracing platform, the game, if you want to call it's the most realistic simulation, one of that we've got about let's say the it's one off. And it's a web based game, if you like, and you go on, and you enter into the race, and it's a championship and all that. So it's brilliant. It's the perfect model as well, the three cars they've got really good.
Farah Nanji: 27:43
So what else are you telling them? Obviously now, there seems to be a lot of uncertainty around motorsport, and what's going on with calendars here and there. But what are you telling them to focus on the most, during this time period, apart from fitness, obviously?
Enzo Mucci: 28:01
Just replicating for the driver is two, two elements for the driver, it's just replicating what we would be doing in real life and running it as normal, and they're entering different championships. And it means a lot to them. So that's fine, the training side of it's pretty much the same. And the fitness coach will do a fitness training session with them as well, using zoom again. And they'll do fitness tests where they have everybody login at the same time, they're all doing fitness training together with all the drivers. So that's competitive competition elements as well. So all that continues as normal. But the sticky bit is the parent or the sponsor that's paying for the drive. Again, no value. So that's more of a talking point for the parents and myself. It's like, Okay, how are we going to negotiate with the team, and it's keeping that boat floating in the drive and not worrying about that too much as well. So it's, yeah, it's like other industries, you have to deal with the real stuff. Because obviously, most race drivers pay to compete. So it's the added pressure of if you don't do well, Mom and Dad's just put the house on the mortgage to pay for this one season. So yeah, you can imagine the kind of stresses that come into dealing with that is another side of it. While most teams are good, they just pause the payments. Let's see what happens. So at the moment is going okay, on that front, luckily.
Farah Nanji: 29:20
So if you're, obviously you're quite reliant on sponsorship, unless you're lucky. And so but you're saying at the moment from your observations, sponsors are just pausing it but they're still gonna have to work with the driver if the season comes back. Do you think that there's much luck with drivers trying to get new sponsorship, or
Enzo Mucci: 29:44
I think it might be better when they can do little sponsorships. Now, even through that erasing, because we can put the cart the sponsor all over the car. And you can still do it that way and they get in thousands of viewers so they still can get Yeah, he still can get I think we've had nearly 10,000 viewers on our five races put together 9000 something, and it was only over two weeks. So that's actually got some kind of monetary value to companies that want to put their name on the car and get mentioned. So they can still give them a little bit slyke that, but they are pretty much unpause. Yeah, let's see how it goes, I think another month, and then we'll have to start to make decisions about are we racing this year or not? Yeah. And then then you get into refund territory, which is not going to be nice if that happens, but I think they'll roll it out to 2021. And make it easy for the drivers team as well.
Farah Nanji: 30:38
So getting back to your mission has been the hardest decision or obstacle that you had to me, in order not to compromise on your mission. Give me an example. And I don't know, I mean, it could be from who you have to work with, or like, you know, choice to be a part of something or not, and, you know, just something that immediately springs to mind. And, you know, I mean, for me personally, I knew one of the hardest decisions I faced was music and choosing you're constantly exposed to bad players. And, and to my next sort of question, just leaving in general that was, you know, knowing from intuition, despite how grading might be the reward and everything else. Yeah.
Enzo Mucci: 31:23
I think it's similar. It's like working with a driver where you do it as a job. You know, you there's like a coach, and he doesn't really listen to you. It doesn't really want to improve just doing it because dad wants to do it, and you're stuck with him for a year, just to pay the bills. That's what I'm glad I don't do anymore. Because you do it again, this different phase of coaching. When you're starting out you do anything and oh my god, I got this one. Yeah, but he's 25th, he's never going to get any better. No matter what you do. He's just doing it for jokes, because his dad wants to do it, not him. That's selling out that that bit hurts. And it's another year gone. So I am very early, so not gonna do that anymore. Because it's travelling the world with this person sharing a room with him every night, probably, but you know, they're not really into it as much as you that kills your spirit. So you have to make the decision. So wrong, I'm going to back a driver, I'm going to work for him or her for next to nothing. You know, because I want to because it feels good. And I know it's going to get me there in five years time. It's not going to pay the bills and have to sell the car. But um, yeah, so I think that's always a coach thing. It's, do I think of the economic short term or the mission? And I'm happy to say that normally, it's the mission now. So it's, it's I've got myself to that position where I can choose who I want to work with. worked with,
Farah Nanji: 32:46
you know, speaks for itself. And also, you're very generous with giving out free resources. So and, but and also so yeah. Does it just your intuition play intrinsically into the whole process? Is that what you do?
Enzo Mucci: 32:58
Yeah. I mean, I love coaching. I think just doing the podcast and the YouTube show once a week. There's nothing telling me I have to do it. It's just like, I feel like I got to do it. Because I remember what it was like being a kid going into motorsport, you haven't got a clue what you're getting into. It's just a weird world. And then obviously, it depends, you know, last time last Monday was about how to qualify better. It was actually the question that came from someone who's in f2. So it was a high level driver. And I keep chrome not crumbly, and I just can't get the most out of this tire every time in quality. So it was all didn't mention his name. But it was all him that started that. And I just I just get as soon as someone's asked a question, I want to make a show about it. I just want to get it out, even if no one listens to it. And it feels like you're coaching that anyway. And it's out there then. So I don't even think about that side of it. Honestly, I don't even know what Monday's show will be about. You could just be whatever comes out. And then it stays genuine. And currently irrelevant.
Farah Nanji: 34:01
Yeah, no, absolutely. Very good. And so what do you think? I mean, do you think that you're the type of person who is more freelance and prefers to work by themselves? Or do you like having a team of people around you kind of like having a baktun. And
Enzo Mucci: 34:23
I think I'm more of a loner really. And like being in the office and creating the product or career or talking to someone one on one doing coaching. I think that's where I feel a bit more not free, but just I prefer it, working with the teams is fine, no problem. But there's more issues than isn't that there's egos normally in my industry, with coaching, where that is the coaching in a way that's just to build their ego or to get them another job. It's very easy, you know, you have to work with that for people and then you've got one of them in there. I actually prefer to just beat my mind? On my own as is. But I do love being with people, don't get me wrong. Yeah, but creatively and working environments, you wouldn't think that because race teams were really close when I'm in there. So I suppose it depends on the situation. But when it comes to work, I probably prefer to write a book than just collaborate and sit around talking about theories.
Farah Nanji: 35:24
So here's an interesting question talking about ego. And I mean, you know, you do see it in f1. Yeah, I mean, you see it in all walks of life. And you see it in the upcoming few series as well. But so what do you want to know strategies to kind of remove some of that? Can? Like, is that was that is that up with you that as the
Enzo Mucci: 35:47
industry as a whole, like, remove it from the environment?
Farah Nanji: 35:49
No. more like as a performance coach, and when you can see that there's ego getting in the way?
Enzo Mucci: 36:01
I think I approach it as if it's a bit of a mirror, if I don't act with ego, normally, the people that have got it, they don't attract you. And if they know that you're genuinely just there with one thing on, like, when I go to a race team, because it's very weird as a coach, when you're going into a race team, with engineers, and all these professional people, and you come in there and tell the driver what to do, not only kind of disrupt their work put in so far, it's like taking a painter to paint that bit blue, please. And like, Whoa, this is my painting. So you go and you're encroaching on their party. But also you can put thoughts into the driver's head, that makes them think less of the engineer. So then the engineers threatened. So it is, yeah, it's really present. So all I do is go into that environment and say, right, I'm going to be a ghost. I'm not going to be treading on anyone's toes. Where can I go? And where can I go? All I'm All I care about is my little area of helping this driver perform at their best when it matters. And that's it. Keep it really, really loose. And some engineers are right, that's perfect. And some say, right? Can you do a bit more? Can you go and watch on this corner and tell me what you're doing with his driving or watch other cars, see what they're doing. So it's all very different. And I learned that early on, when I was a kid, again, coaching and just walking in telling them what to do. And then the engineers going, Who the hell are you. And this is like a 55 year old engineer, that's been there forever. So I learned that very quickly, to sort of be there, but you just got to remember your place. And if there are egos, there is nothing you can do. Because they're there before you and after you them people that are in that environment. You just do your bit. And normally it plays out.
Farah Nanji: 37:38
How much of driving and racing is mental and how much of it is physical?
Enzo Mucci: 38:01
I put more mental than anything else as one component, just for the simple fact that you see people like Billy monger, no legs, but he's racing. Okay, so you don't need legs. And then there's a chap who's in Lamont racing LMP to remember his name now is it Johnson or something, and he's got virtually no arms and legs and racing. So physically, he's obviously not as fit or capable as someone with long limbs. So you're like, Okay, still racing, and not doing bad, half bad either. But if you took a part of their brain away, or all of it, they wouldn't be able to even switch the car on as you know. So I always say that's the operating system. So if you can take care of that, it overcomes a lot of other things. And obviously, in the mind, that's where the skill is, as well. Everything is your feelings, your emotions, how you think about things. So I would say, I put the mind as number one. And there are a lot of drivers out there that are super fast and World Champions, but super unfit. And I'm not promoting that, as you know, but it's, it's still it's like, Okay, if they were completely fragile mentally and couldn't put a lap together, but superfit, and they wouldn't be very successful. So I always come down to Okay, it's down to the person. And that means the brain when you say the person, so I think it's I'd love to put a percentage on it. But I know you can't do without it, that's for sure. But you can do without an arm. You can and you can do it if you're not that fit. So it's for me, it's the most important thing in all sorts of ways. You have the business mind to get the sponsorship and get on people skills. You've got to know how to deliver a lap, you've got to know how to drive gonna have the actual skill set, to a degree you're born with some people that can never do it, no matter how much coaching they get. So it is yeah, I hate to say that because I think I do believe you can learn anything in life, but there's certain people that jump in and they're quick straightaway. And they've got that racing brain at 16. That people in 30 in their 30s haven't got you, not how that was just DNA. Same business, right?
Farah Nanji: 40:12
Yeah, definitely knew all those weaknesses. Yeah. And yeah, you've got to navigate a lot, you know, mentally from your own performance, putting your life in line. B, you know, you've got, you've got your team that could be mind games happening. You know, there's a lot of that stuff like, yeah, it's quite difficult to deal with, you know, people who are while being manipulative, and, and all of that stuff.
Enzo Mucci: 40:37
Oh, yeah. They've got their own agendas.
Farah Nanji: 40:39
Yeah. And then your local team, that's insane. quite difficult. And what about, like, you know, your personal life? Like, let's say, you're going through a breakup like that, that's definitely one of the hardest things that I think as human beings, like we feel, and that, that that can have such a deep impact on your personal desire and motivation to like, perform and just do well. So how do you mean, have you encountered that type of thing with, you know, the guys even kind of coaching? And like,
Enzo Mucci: 41:09
yeah, yeah, it's, um, when they're, because a lot of them are between 17 and 22 years old. So it's all, it's all new to them at that point. And they're going through relationships, and they meet people that they think this is the one and you're like, kids, you're only 16, I promise you, it might not be the one and you can see that it doesn't really set up. It's not right, but you can't say anything. So when it comes to personal life, I treat it in a way where I don't really tell them what to do on that front, because then it's just dad telling their son not to do it. And it's just going to, you're not going to get the truth from them then. So really, it's, it's now and then you give them a straight talk of how it works. And they either take it or they don't. But eventually, over the next few months, something will happen. Oh, you know what you said about that the other day, it made sense. It makes sense now, because she did it, or he did it. And it was what we spoke about all that time ago, and then you start to win them over gently that way. But really, it's their life. So I'm obviously sometimes employed to keep the kid on the straight and narrow. So if there is a problematic person in their life to do something about it, but really, you've got to be very careful on that front. And if they're going through breakups, it's just you've got to, they've got to know that you're there. So they can tell you anything. That's a big thing. Because then if they're going through something, they communicate it, and you can always tackle it straight away. And actually, you as a coach, you become so aligned with your driver, or clients or customer, whatever you want to call them, you get so aligned with them that you normally can read their mind and feel what they're going through anyway. Because you're just there all the time with them watching them and in high intense moments. So you get to know them. And you're like, Okay, I think she said something last night, I can tell he's not quite. And then you won't even target the actual problem, you just see what's going on. And then deal with that as an emotional issue no matter what the catalyst is. So I think that's the way I play it, and it seems to work really well. Or you can just go in there and say, mate, honestly, this is not a good one for you. Just see her talking to all the other drivers. And you can be straight. It depends on the relationship Really? Well,
Farah Nanji: 43:20
the main, most important thing, but I guess what I was trying to offer more was like, yeah, there's definitely, you know, sensitivity or sensitivity around how to approach and how it's dealt with. Like you. I mean, whether you're 16 3020, whatever, like, if you go through that it's difficult. And you've got to be able to like mentally pick yourself up and just just and just get them to do you think that like having, you know, let's not call it a distraction, but you know, but back into your work is distracting towards that. Yeah, it is.
Enzo Mucci: 43:53
Yeah, I think I'm quite spoiled because in racing, it's a bit like extreme sports is even more, where if you're unlucky on the snowboard, or if you're in the race car, you go, there's something that's fairly dangerous, and it needs your concentration. It kind of shakes you out of whatever mood you're in before. If you're not, I mean, you've got to be ready like a kind of snowboard, if you're not in the flow, you fought enough if you're gonna hurt yourself, so they'd have to be in the rhythm all the time, otherwise, it just won't get on it. So I'm kind of in a situation where we have a pre performance routine, which means we get you into your optimal state and you go and compete. And that's kind of a set thing that you do every time you get in the car. Like a tennis player, you can see in a doll, bounce the ball a certain time, touch the face. And if that's interrupted, he'll start all over again. So it's kind of like teaching a dog how to act off a whistle. And that's what you do. But obviously when you get to Pillow Talk, we call it where we're at nighttime with the driver and we just sat at the restaurant or whatever. If you share in a room, you sit in the lounge a bit or whatever. That's where you start to talk about these things. And then you become the coach on the life side. But then when you're at work at the race track, you just focus on what needs to be done. Something that can be mimicked in in the real world as well. pretty easily.
Farah Nanji: 45:17
itself. So, um, last couple of questions. I mean, what's next? I mean, what are you taking this time to kind of you folks are obviously a bit more focused on coaching. Yep. But yeah, like, what do you do? What is next for you? Okay.
Enzo Mucci: 45:33
As you know, I've set up a place in London or joined a shared working place in London, to do executive coaching, just before this happened. So that's paused, but still doing research and coming up with strategies that really do relate, and even preparing for seminars that haven't even got to say, and link. Oh, that's what happens in motorsports. And that can be really valuable in business, I'm still doing that. I've got a book that I'm half writing, which is the warrior mindset for race drivers, it's still very race driver. The eSports thing is pretty good. We're going to do season two is called may isolation f3 championship, or eSports II racing championship, I think we're going to call it and that might be picked up today from a TV station, Miss showed on TV so busy dealing with that. And then I've got my four or five drivers that I work with. So it's still just as busy in a different way, like I say, but I think, for me, it's the corporate side coaching, there is something I can't wait to get into now.
Farah Nanji: 46:37
That's something hopefully we're gonna work together on. Yeah. Oh, and, you know, he tells a question, but it's kind of like if we talk about it, and we expose it, particularly for people like to see, go through the depths of women in motorsport, what's been your experience? Have you seen anything that you feel has been? Like, is there a reason why it's just not their money? What is it? Like what's
Enzo Mucci: 47:02
interesting, because the money side of it, you think it's more of a sales point now, because it's different. Everyone loves to put money behind stuff that stands out more. So a lady being in this so called man's world, it's perfect, but we just haven't found a style yet. Because there's not that many ladies doing it. That's the problem. So if there was more than we'd find more talents, obviously, and it is kind of a, it's still motorsport can be a little bit backward the way it is. Still, it's still an old school mentality. So they will always find a female and will always find it still they have to overcome this first, every Hello, yes, I'm a girl get over it. There's still that it's much better than it was even two years ago, there now. W series is being taken more seriously. Which is a great thing. I've got no problem with it whatsoever. If it gives someone a chance who hasn't got the money, then I'm for it. Whatever agenda. I wish there was one for men as well actually, where you can just because I pay for everything, your flights, hotel, everything is just you turn up and race, which is amazing. So the sports should be. So that's a good incentive. I've got two female race drivers like he coach at the moment. It's just the same stuff. Same stuff. How can I take these kinds of corners a bit better? Because I'm not, that's my weak spot. How can I be mentally strong law, which is exactly the same as what I teach a man? Male is no different. So I see no difference whatsoever. It's just we've got to find a superstar then they'll get their ambassador. So when it is really quick in the car, who is a female, then I think we'll see a different side of it.
Farah Nanji: 48:37
Definitely. No, I think it's such a comeback. I read some statistics somewhere that like today, 20 28% of Carter's are female. Ah, thinking about getting that seat in Formula One. When only you know, the statistics are just weighed against you. But yeah, I think it will definitely come and Yeah. Great, great platform for that. Anything else you'd like to share with us? Like, what other things?
Enzo Mucci: 49:05
Yeah, I want to ask you something. Did you do some racing?
Farah Nanji: 49:08
well? Me personally? Um, yeah, so I might mess up my soul. You know, my experience with it was, you know, I kind of started out with karting. Yeah, in my early teenage years, when I kind of discovered that it was a form of escapism for me, similar to you. I got bullied in school. So it was like, you know, I discovered these two things, which was causing a Spanish guitar. Yeah. And many Yeah, obviously, no one knew who I am and what I do. So I just didn't get to where I wanted to go. Like, I didn't get what I mean, I never even had anywhere close to the money you need at that point in time. We're talking about the early 2000s when the internet wasn't sharing all these amazing resources. Like, you know, if it wasn't to go with Dr. Her team, it was then Okay, how can I be like marketing, you know, manager or whatever, because I'm sorry. f1 team, there was no careers page even. So it seemed like a very closed circuit or very close world. But for me personally, I absolutely loved the hell out of it. And I found out a couple of years later, I had this thing called dyspraxia, which definitely works against me with talent and driving, but you know, harder you go into the deep end, you'll only come out better. Yep. But yeah, no, it's not realistic that I'm going to be that person who's going to go to f1. Not even close. But then that's why I set up, you know, a company around exploring themes and trying to emulate that to other people. Because I think driving something most of us can relate to whether you go fast or slow. Yeah.
Enzo Mucci: 50:45
Yeah, principles are all the same. I've got one of my clients is, does the acrobatic planes read things? It's all the same, again, just teaching them exactly the same things. as you would a race driver. I think performing on demand is big. Like you said, motivation, and everything else. And being in the right mindset. It's having that goal, it's got a, it's got to be something you're in love with. It really has to be if it's just mundane, doing it for the money, you're probably gonna fail, because there's only so motivated you can get about that. And when you do start to get it, it's Yeah, whatever, it's money. But if it's a passion, which people talk a lot about, now, they haven't got a clue about their passion. It's Don't rush it just live life. Because actually, even when you're, I'm 43. Now I think 76 was born, I kind of work it out. And it's and it's like, I still like my dad used to say to me when he's 50, I still feel 18. I'm like, yeah, whatever, Dad, you're old. But I'm getting there now. And I'm actually more motivated and more active than it was then probably more fitter as well. Definitely mentally stronger, more driven. And it's like, geez, this keeps going. So I think the fact that we try and rush things, and we want it now is a very new mindset, we're just not patient enough to say, right, let's just see where it goes. Okay, I'll just get by for now. But I will figure this out. I might be 40 or whatever, I'll tell you what we're going to live to hundreds. Even more maybe. And you still want to do something. Look at the president of America right now. How old is that person? How old is Trump and he's just taking the job on kinda, it's like back 10 years ago, you'd never think getting that kind of job at that age and having that sort of energy, right? Whether you like him or not, you can see that we get older and we're the next generation from that. So it's like, don't rush it. Let's just start to focus and ask questions like, what do I like? What do I enjoy doing now and then to plant the seed, and things and start to take a different journey? Just because people are getting depressed in their 20s now against suicide, or because they're feeling like failures. I'm like, Guys, I didn't even know what I was doing in my 20s. Seriously, and you're expecting to be a millionaire by that age? It's like, No, no, no, just take your time. Figure it out, provide value to people, do what you love, at the same time as that and you'll be happy. And even if you just drive around the Ford Fiesta, you'll be absolutely happy. And I wish people would live that incident, ya know, in theory, but so and so down the road, or my brother or sister got a better car, it's I fallen for it again. Just avoid that. It gets easier as you get older.
Farah Nanji: 53:21
It does I think, yeah, like, I think Lou young, I think you are really hungry for success. And you also want to be really careful where you invest your energy because, you know, it's like it has to be you know, it can't be all over the place. Like there has to be a strategic direction. And I think there's also this pressure like I mean, a motorsport would it be young to succeed to get towards that? Yeah, there is that? Yeah. So and then and then. I mean, also from coming from music, it's like you know, everybody wants you to be the kid that blows up before that. 30 because it's when ageing sets in, you know, you're no longer as marketable and everything else.
Enzo Mucci: 53:57
Yeah, I get it. Which fashion honestly, it's fashion RC like I said, like we said before it's bringing this full circle is when Instagram first came out, everybody had to use filters and look perfect. And then we got bored of that. And then one two people with no makeup on. Looking roar again. Just now we're at home, just haven't shaved, just hold up the camera, and you give out whatever speech you've got that day you see these gurus doing it. They're not even shaving or anything. And that's now catching fire. It's like, Wow. Okay, so things are in cycles now. And it's exactly the same. Everyone has to be young to succeed. But then eventually they'll go hang on a minute. There's so many people messing up these 30-4050 year olds that have got energy and passion, all that experience. I want that guy and then we'll start to do that. So it kind of changes in fashions. So there is no reason why you can't be the first person to start that new fashion of I'm going back to racing if you're a manufacturer of BMW or whoever and you want to stick your badge on a driver. But all these young kids can't talk in front of the camera, they might be two tenths of a second faster, but they're just bone idle. Now saying that with everyone, but maybe that's the kind of trend, all they care about is Instagram now, not my logo of Mercedes, they'll start to go more to the older type driver, who is better at business, better schmoozing with the sponsors a bit like a Coulthard, you're going to choose him. So it all goes in fashions. That's all I'm gonna say. So there's no reason why you can't all of a sudden be the oldest person to get to f1. But like an element near she was 35 when he raced for Toyota and f1, not too long ago. And everybody was up in arms about that. So Wow, it's amazing. So yeah, it can change.
Farah Nanji: 55:48
And last question, do you believe in Star signs? What is yours and do you believe that it plays a factor in your personality?
Enzo Mucci: 55:59
I'm a Scorpio, but then I started to not believe in them when I summer read out the star sign for someone else. And it fitted me perfectly and said, No, no, that his areas are damaged. So if I read them as a believer in their own mind and the mind, you know what, I haven't got a clue. It could be right. Obviously, there's a lot going on up there. For all we know, we arrived 2020 years ago, before we were even born, and all the story was set. And we're put in and we're made to believe it. Who knows the truth? I'd love to say it, but what I believe in is living for the moment, and just being thankful for everything you've got. Because I can't say you know, which religions are correct? Or if they're all correct, or whatever. How are we supposed to know? It's really controversial? I know. But it's like, if we just All I know is I've got this little nanosecond of consciousness that I'm in right now. I don't know how long for so we've got to live that bit. So don't judge and try and work things out too much. Because he's just around in circles with no answer. Sounds a bit dumb, doesn't it? But it seems to work for me if I just keep focused on how I can make my relationship with my wife the best it can be, I'll come out with business the best it can be and just stay very, very narrow. And just live this moment that I know if I am lucky enough to get to 90 100 I'm going to look back and say that was a good one.
Farah Nanji: 57:23
I mean, it's really interesting because I'm actually Scorpio as well. And very, yeah, but I really believe that I do believe it to the sense where Oh, whatever some websites tell me how my day is gonna pan out. It has helped me just understand just going a bit deeper and then we'll have to share like, okay, it's really deep into it, but it and she talks about let's say in Scorpio child, Scorpio woman man, but also employer and employee to that really interesting because then, you know, sometimes you can analyse different reasons why things happen or like, character trait. But like, you know, with Scorpios I mean, like they are meant to be some of the most passionate people in there. Like that bit. But then, Flipside like for just giving something I know, I had to work on personally, which I definitely think it can be easy to say by being released my spotlight is like, I'm like, because you're so because you're a fine loyal person, to treatment. And when somebody does something wrong to you, like you naturally want to take revenge or like something like, you know, and when I was younger, definitely that was something I knew I liked, like, had definitely gone through. But then I saw karma playing into life, I realised I'm just gonna let go of that emotion completely. Even if it's not right, that person succeeds today, when they've done something wrong morally, then but it's God's it's for whatever high powers to deal with.
Enzo Mucci: 58:52
I mean, I'm open. I'm open to anybody telling me I'm just not the expert for it. But if we are attached to the stars and everything around us, like we are sharing atoms with everything, then yeah, of course, there's going to be some kind of influence or behaviour. But you tell me, I'd love to be educated on that.
Farah Nanji: 59:11
I'm just interested in that. And last last question, why do you believe that we are here?
Enzo Mucci: 59:23
I believe it goes on after this obviously, in some way, even if I just become part of a tree, because it takes me from there but the consciousness goes on to something else is a bit different. So I just think this is our vehicle for now. And then next. That's all I know. All I believe. Sorry.
Farah Nanji: 59:42
Thank you so much for being part of Mission Makers. It was an absolute pleasure to have you on the show. If you want to check out Enzo's work, we will put in all the extra links, as well.
What an inspiring guy enjoys his experiences from a while that can be very Self driven shows just how important it is to be mindful of the fact that our behaviours have a huge influence on others, and how those people can determine your success. I love what he was saying about lifelong learning, living in the moment and confronting your weaknesses head on. And he's got an awesome podcast out himself called the race driver coach on Spotify and YouTube. And even if you're not into racing, what he talks about, there are techniques that can apply to people from all different walks of life. Thank you so much for taking the time out of your day to listen to this episode. I hope you're leaving with some great inspiration that can help you with whatever you want to achieve in your life. If you enjoy today's episode, be sure to subscribe to your favourite podcast platform so you can be notified when a new episode is posted. It would also mean the world to us if you could rate and review the show and share it with your friends so we can reach as many people as possible. If you want to reach out to me as well get in touch directly at DJ.n1nja on Instagram and Twitter. That's DJ.n1nja and also Mission Makers on social media. Thanks so much again for listening. Until next time, Mission Makers stay safe and have an amazing week.
Lessons To Fuel Your Mission
Win the day by 12PM
Negative beliefs become limiting behaviours
Helping others is contribution on the biggest scale
Be conscious of what you are avoiding to overcome it
Be ruthless with your weaknesses
Observe without engaging, live outside of the problem
Be aware of getting trapped by the emotions of a moment
Be very mindful of the fact that your behaviour will influence others