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Farah Nanji  0:02  

Tiffany and Victor, thank you so much for joining me today. It's It's so awesome to see you guys again, our work virtually on screen. We were just saying hope we hope we've all had a little bit of time to recharge after Davos but how you both how you were doing today?


Tiffany Harnsongkram  0:19  

Yes, yeah, beautifully. So I'm visiting San Francisco for the first time in about 25 years and rediscovering the beautiful landscapes and nature preservation that's been accomplished here. And it's it's a beautiful thing to see.


Dr. Victor Pineda  0:36  

Trade one of the most incredible humans to a set of experiences at sort of extend this feeling of belonging and purpose and connection that we curated a Davos can bring it into sort of other parts of the world. So check your house in balance with us.


Farah Nanji  0:57  

Amazing, yeah, to try a travelling energy field we should say. And so tell us a little bit more about you know, how to balance I mean, obviously, Hans Martin and Tiffany, you guys kind of came together to create this space? So tell our audience, you know, what, what was the the reason behind this and what kind of some of the core values are and, and I personally find it, you know, really interesting, the way that the value exchange has been, has been designed. But we'd love to hear from you, from you guys about about that.


Tiffany Harnsongkram  1:31  

Yeah, so the inception point of House of balance came out of a conversation that I had with my friend Paul Sua, who was dismayed at the state of the masculine and feminine conversation, or between men and women, following me, too, and this kind of antagonistic attitude that had been brewing, putting us in competition. And so we had this conversation about how can we have conversations where we're working in symbiosis, to uplift one another, and also to reclaim the feminine and masculine aspects within ourselves. So he had the idea to contact Hans Martin to see if Hans Martin would be willing to host us in his space in Davos, and of course, Hans Martin, who has an incredible amount of respect, and the Davos community has a family history there. His grandfather, having invented the ski boots, was welcoming us with open arms, and helped to produce this tiny event between friends where we had a series of conversations where we were reclaiming the masculine feminine balance within our own lives and within the societal conversation, specifically by valuing the feminine and putting more feminine aspects of ourselves such as communication, and collaboration, and inclusivity, into the business conversation. And it had such a resonance that people sought us out for the next year. And we had a wonderful connection with the mayor of Davos, and with, with Valerie as well, the Agilent. Mayor. So Philip and Valerie were huge components in allowing us to grow and expand the conversation and to many more conversations of symbiosis and collaboration and connection. And so this year, we had four venues, we had over 1000 registrants, and we worked with a series of volunteers, collaborators, very experienced and skilled people from all over the world that came together to build this house.


Farah Nanji  3:55  

Beautiful. Victor, do you want to do you want to add anything to that?


Dr. Victor Pineda  4:00  

It definitely is. Both the last two lines, the Creator of so many experiences, and I had the pleasure of having that experience in Davos. I sort of this early, free sort of test. What does it look like when you bring people together to create authentic conversations and experiences and I you know, I've spoken all over the world. I've negotiated the UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities about two time presidential appointee and have had a lot of positions of leadership in government and nonprofit space and I couldn't do it without a professor of urban planning. So speaking has been something that I've done quite a lot, and Davos is obviously a place where a lot of these conversations can be converted quickly into action. That's, that's in Davos where the global agreement for for gives you the price of AIDS medications and vaccines, like, really important global decisions, the end of apartheid, the end of the Berlin Wall, there has been people that have taken action based on the thoughts and conversations that connections were made. So I get a call from a mutual friend, you know, cleaner from scratch that you have this agenda was fully booked, but there's a possibility to squeeze in one more speaker, and drive, you know, 12 hours, all the way up, to figure out what this constant balance was in May of 2022. And the energy was so beautiful, that I could relax my mind. And just start speaking from the heart. And I will, together thoughts and feelings and ideas and passions and commitments, and stories about not only having to retrofit the world, but before retrofit the world solve the world's problems, we need to retrofit our minds and we need to open up our hearts and minds to be able to allow new experiences to blossom. So I was so convinced Africans trajectory of, of global impact of leadership, that I regard that this was definitely a space that was needed, that I stepped in to help sort of produce an appropriate next generation and find the partnerships and the resources to help make it a bigger platform. So we have this partnership that Tiffany and I have developed that only in the act of building these experiences and growing upon that experience experiencing these connections, ourselves as partners, and multiple levels as romantic partners. As friends as collaborators as as soul, soulmate soul, soulful ex exchanges, I think that can sort of seep into it permeate a community that sees that and can't embrace that within themselves.


Farah Nanji  8:00  

Hmm, yeah. And we were saying earlier, like you can feel there's a energy field around that space. And inside that space, the minute that you that you walk in and, and yes, as Hans Martin was sharing about how, you know, on the other side of the river, there's, there's something there. And so, you know, you guys have kind of, you know, excitingly expanded in in a short space of time, a because WEF was in May last year. And then of course, we were in January, and in May it was it was in Hans's Sharpe and now it's it's, as you say, more than 1000 people coming through. So what what has been some of the impact that you've you've seen, and, and what have been some of the challenges around kind of preserving the values and the, the authenticity of that community.


Tiffany Harnsongkram  8:50  

So, in building the house of balance, I can speak from my personal experience, having been an Events Coordinator, and producer, for family office conferences, and kind of more investment based events. This was a very different animal. We built this as a community as a collaborative, we built it as a non commercial entity. So the the sponsorships that were coming through, were really more of people supporting and joining the membership collaborative and CO creating with us, but along the lines of our values, which we had our core team go into meditation and come to a coherence level, which is one of our main values is coherence, on what we stood for, which is which is love, and joy, and collaboration and coherence, but the primary value is love. And that's, that's what is our engine, our energetic focus. So


Dr. Victor Pineda  9:54  

in the past,


Tiffany Harnsongkram  9:57  

I think a word like love would have been A little too airy fairy, or fluffy for a West Side event. But this year, it was met with such longing, such desire and need for the connection that we wanted to create. And because of that, people were coming to the house, and sometimes leaving in tears, and in hugs, because they didn't want to leave, we had many people changing their flights, because they wanted to stay longer and spend time with us. Many people commented about the feeling in the space and how they belonged and how they had found their, their tribe or their family, a place where they felt that all of them could come into the room, not just their professional hat. So in creating a space like that, what happened is the heart connection was so strong between people that it built a tribe trust, it builds a desire for more connectivity. And from that, when you have the love and shared vision and trust, the projects just flow, there's no brakes on as to what you can co create together,


Dr. Victor Pineda  11:11  

the resources are abundant, okay, because the obstacles to creation go way down. So when you have a place of trust, you don't need to create all of these layers of additional safety and risk assessments. Rather, you'll understand that there's a shared understanding on how to execute that vision or that impact or that project we've already seen, create immediate clusters of working groups, add education at research at impact that add investments. So I think the impact that we've had is to show a model in a world that has these poly crisis's instead of retreating into fear, to step into understanding, awareness, compassion, and love. And I think that is not airy fairy. Because you're not going to, you're not necessarily going to find that as a total package, you might find that as an opening of a door, like you have to choose to walk through it. Right, just because you come to a place with brilliant, brilliant, impactful professionals, you know, you can leave that place and just say, Oh, that was a nice event I went to, and that's fine, right? Or you could leave that place, and have a realisation and a commitment to take the action. And in a world that is filled with so many obstacles and so much fear. What we need is people to have the courage to take action, and to be unafraid and to try something new. And to build the systems now is the field that takes us to the future we need.


Tiffany Harnsongkram  13:24  

I think to to your point. And Victor, one of the main differences that I saw in the way that business is conducted is that usually at a big conference or an event, like WEF everyone is coming with their their professional face on where they're going to give you the shiniest most exciting picture of themselves, and what they're going to convince you to do with them what they need what they want. And when you start from a place of authenticity, where vulnerability and honesty are accepted, and are okay, you have people coming to the business conversation with this is what I would really love to build. This is what I'm struggling with. These are the cards that I have on my hand, this is where I need your help. What can we do together? That's an honest conversation. That's, that's a platform on which you can build something solid rather than two people trying to convince each other of of something that isn't solid, something that isn't clear maybe even to themselves. So when you allow for real conversation, and when you allow for people to show up fully with each other. That does build trust, but that also builds coherence. I'm going to use it again where you have something real and you can build on it immediately. You don't have to do five follow up calls to see to check the legitimacy of the offer.


Farah Nanji  14:48  

Definitely and that's that's why I think a lot of people really valued the format of the fit the way that things were because there's definitely a lot of you know, some of the world's most intelligent people For out there, and there's and there's a lot that people have to say, but it's in such a short space of time. You know, it's, it's, I think people want to get that value of like, what is the collaborative aspect? Because we can all pitch to each other until the cows come home. But really, it's about where is that? I mean, everyone says the same thing. We're frustrated with how the world is, you know that every year, there's it's a morbid picture, but then what actually happens amongst the people that some of the people are there and hold the keys to making it a different a different reality? So definitely, and so talking about about this, what do you think, is some of the biggest misconceptions around around demos?


Dr. Victor Pineda  15:41  

I think that there's a lot of opportunity for people to step out, oh, their, you know, masks and suits and corporatized identity. And there's an opportunity at Davos to look at the real history of Davos. That was isn't an event. It's a community, it's a small town. You know, it's a place that people sought refuge and healing, people that had disabilities that had to recall those that had pulmonary challenges, like seek out this valley between these outlets, in order to find this pure air. And to have this sort of space, to encounter nature and encounter themselves can find their own nature, and healing nature. So I think one of the biggest misconceptions is that this is, you know, just a party for the global elite checks. You know, it's not just the party for the global elite. It is people that want to change the state of the world, it's people that are changing the state of the world. Important question is, what will be that vibrational frequency? That defines the values? What are the values that define the actions? And what are the actions that create the outcomes? Right? So it all goes back to that sense of, of feeling trust and safe. And that you have the possibility to, to actually have a voice and be seen, be heard, not only from your ego perspective, but, you know, we had a woman that was working on rehabilitation at the Ministry of Health in Kenya, who is very passionate about assistive technology and giving tools to children. And just as she paid her own way, she never left Africa on a trip like this. And was there a member of the House of balance, check and counter challenges, right? Her visa was delayed, she showed up late, the housing was lost, because she showed up a day late. And the community came together and able to support her and lift her up, she was stuck as an impersonal object. And I'm ashamed that didn't care about her. She was a human being that entered a space that allowed her to reconstitute spare resources and spare opportunities for her well being. And help her evolve and change her life. Not only with that experience, but going back home, and reselling and Amsterdam to where she's from innovation as Sasha stop. In the engineering department said we will only have current ex planning meetings with our screws off and no table in the middle of the room. So they now as soon as they left the house balance. Sasha's had sent us a photo of her colleagues, academics and engineers sitting in a room without a table with their shoes off. And their socks really grounded the conversations that they're having with each other. You got a big smile on your face.


Tiffany Harnsongkram  19:48  

It's just taking me back to the many beautiful stories that we had of people finding their place within the house and I think you're right in that the biggest myth misconception is that it is the you know, the the evil Illuminati empire of people making decisions from the top down and, and being hyper exclusive. And what my experience of Davos and WEF week has been is that there's everyone coming from all different walks of life trying to connect with people that share the same goals and dreams and can help accelerate them. There's a large spirit of collaboration in the town as a whole. But I found that even though I haven't been to Burning Man, the same kind of experiences that would happen in Burning Man, were those that would happen with us at at the house, which was, all of your needs, will be met. All of the things that you're searching for, will be found. It's just if you come with an intention, and maybe to ease your journey, a Sherpa, I mean, we're happy to Sherpa you in. But there is this collective synchronicity, this, this invitation to the cosmic internet, as Hans Martin would say, where you just tap into the collective intelligence, collective resources, you find the last, yeah, you get, you get the password for the cosmic cosmic Internet, and you tap in, and everything that you need, is there. And that was one of my greatest lessons this year was when we share with the group, you know, what our, what our desires are, there's inevitably, and usually within just a few minutes, somebody there to meet that need,


Dr. Victor Pineda  21:39  

and a hive mind comes alive, can see that on Facebook, when you post something. And then people give you all of these responses. So can a word and that word society that needs to be based on values, and meaning and purpose, and not just on doing? Being? Right. And I think that's what I found. I'm a member of the World Economic Forum. So this, for me, this isn't just a side event, this is actually almost an obligation or a duty to sort of this bigger process of improving the state of the world, like as a council member. We're all working with some of the world's greatest minds and, and some of the world's most influential people to look at what how we can unlock human potential, right. So I think it's important to understand that the 30,000 people that come to Davos, there's a lot of barriers, to come into Davos. There have been a lot of barriers, for example, other sort of pilgrimages, or burning bath. I'm not saying that everything is that spiritual experience. But if you choose to add meaning to that experience, if you choose to step into that discovery and revelation of you as a diverse part podcast, and get curious about how you could be of service to a community that's improving the state of the world, whether that's joining an official channel of the World Economic Forum, or whether it's coming to our more open, non commercial, nonpartisan, non political, independently organised space, you have a choice, and chosen light, meaning you will assign to the actions that you take with your life. And if those are based on mutual understanding, love, acceptance and trust, you will see the world respond to you, Rachel, understanding love acceptance and trust, beautifully said, the path will be made clear.


Farah Nanji  24:13  

Definitely, definitely, one of my favourite quotes is what you seek is seeking you and, you know, sometimes you really have to kind of fit like you, it can't just fall on your lap. Right? You also got to take the steps. And so I would love to ask you because, you know, I think that part of the equation is accountability. Right? Because, you know, we live in a very fast paced, fast transactional world, it's easy to forget about the impact that an action may have had on someone. And, and obviously, we know, the field that we're, we're in out there and, and some of the misconceptions that you've that you've touched upon. Have you been in a situation where there's been resistance to this frequency that you're trying to bring, or are bringing and how have you approached that situation?


Tiffany Harnsongkram  25:01  

Do you want to start I so I'll just start by saying that rethinking our culture and the way that we choose to interact with one another, the way that we choose to build things has been kind of an upstream climb for me, because explaining to people that we are building as a collaborative community as a non commercial entity is very difficult in a place that expects to be able to purchase you, for lack, for lack of a better term, they expect to be able to offer you money, and have a space where they can pitch their products and sell their stuff, which is, which is not bad. There's nothing inherently wrong about that. But having the thought around, our community comes first, our people come first our values come first, our, our Well, it's planet over profit, essentially. But also its its resonance over expedience, or money or ease, really. So we did a lot to protect the culture of the community, we turned many people down, that would have come and offered us money for a spot, because they weren't in the same mindset, they weren't working as a collaborative with us in building a resonance in a community, they just wanted to sell their services, that's fine. But that's not us. And getting people to wrap their head around what it is to build in collaboration and community was a very difficult one, because our mind just automatically goes back to well, I want to sponsor or I want to speak, or I want to have a panel or I want my five minutes in spotlight, and I want my photo op. And I want you know, whatever it is, for my marketing materials, which we got, that wasn't the focus. That wasn't the point. Nobody was on stage speaking, nobody was on a panel in that way. We were always on the ground together in a circle. That's how we operate. And the connectivity that you get with that kind of an operation is far deeper, far more valuable than your five minute soundbite that you're going to get to an audience who's been hearing sound bites


Dr. Victor Pineda  27:18  

all day. Exactly. It's a signal in the noise. Right? There's the noise where it's all the chatter. There's a signal which is really the, the pure entity there can cause that allows you to take action, the noise comes confused, the same noise, the message?


Farah Nanji  27:42  

Definitely you have to find a way to cut through the white noise 100%. And so what what have you some of your life lessons from Davos?


Tiffany Harnsongkram  27:55  

Really good question. Oh my goodness, that it's such an intense week over there that it's hard to pinpoint one. But when we're talking about frequency and resonance, it seems theoretical until you see it in action and see the ripple effects. So when we were putting together the values and the frequency and the culture, it's all kind of something in the sky, it's something immaterial, it's just a feeling it's a sensation, until you put it into action and see what comes of it. And what what happened was a tsunami effect, our intention, whether it was just setting the resonance field before everyone got there, having the team meeting, having our hearts united around these values, taking the time to have a quiet spot together, where we would just connect with our hearts every morning starting with a mindfulness practice. Setting that was invaluable. And probably the the most valuable asset that we had was our residents, which is intangible and material. But it's no longer intangible for me, it became hugely tangible, as you said, when people would walk in, they would notice immediately to the to the point where they were telling us regularly offering to us the the feedback that they felt so good in the house, they didn't want to leave. So I think making the intangible important, valuable, giving it a place giving it a voice. And noticing the value of that, as you said, you know, tracking the metrics and tracking the impact. Yes, we want to do that on a long term basis. What outcomes came from these collaborations, what impact came from these collaborations, but also what impact happened in the hearts and minds of the people that came in and left? What changes were made there?


Dr. Victor Pineda  29:55  

And it isn't like you said before fire can isn't for everyone right? If we can create a space where people can walk into, but again, it's revamped to find the alignment, because if they're trying desperately to sell a product or service, they're not going to get on that desperation. They're not going to find the push in space where the space just likes more about the authentic. Oh, so I did encounter resistance by people that did not understand why I would be engaged with this project. And I said, Well, I've got a very clear, you know, set of missions that I'm trying to do with the world, which is to advance radical inclusion. Here's a place where radical inclusion isn't like just a set of guidelines or regulations, or legal mandates. But actually, as Tiffany was just saying, it is a set of values that self organise experiences that advance radical inclusion. So there is a way to create just that you said, make the intangible tangible, right. So that it was It wasn't just felt, like if you looked at the audience, it was one of the most diverse audiences and gatherings you know, that we've had with local community members, younger people and older people. And, and, and laughter at, and just simple moments of beak. So if you don't understand that, if you feel like that is not advancing your goals, you're welcome to leave, right? Fine. Those that in a world that's filled with fear. In a world that has these poly crisis's. You can catch a breath and find a refuge with other incredible humans, that are also catching your breath, finding a refuge, you might be able to create a synergy, or a symphony, if you will, different music or, or a path towards your own sort of impact and unfolding. So a lot of these are abstract ideas. But ultimately, I did have to push against a few people that didn't understand why this was I don't know, people could say simplified as as a hippie side of it. But it's not. It's actually directly leading to business outcomes. It's directly leading to life goals, personal and professional development. And that, I think, is what we'll notice, as we take counts of balance global. And we look at comp 28. In Dubai, where we're having to solve massive extinction of species, and massive, you know, climate refugee crisis, massive retrofitting of urban infrastructure, transportation, infrastructure, and agricultural challenges. If we can't show up, we only show up with technical tools to comp 28. We won't be able to really create the courage needed to let go of the past. Yeah, we'll still be holding on to it. But if you want to get in the house and balance it comp 28 And you feel protected or you feel held, only you feel encouraged or you feel inspired. You can let go of everything else, you know are so desperately holding on to and embrace the adult and build that unknown builds that solution. So I think Tiffany and I are very committed to explore what the growth of this community looks like and how to balance and if any of your listeners have no space for us at a global event or wanting to connect with us and bring these values into your your gathering. We can break some of the world greatest leaders on a variety of different topics, to sort of augment that experience with your participants so that they leave, not attending another conference, but they leave, understanding that they have everything they need to move into the next phase of our collective transformation.


Farah Nanji  35:26  

For sure, and just to add to that, you know, I think when you're in a place like that, and you've, as you said, there's, we know, there's a lot of obstacles to get there. And we're all on a path, some of us have found what that calling is. And it's so important to kind of go beyond the self, because we come into this world alone, but we're all in this together, and we can't be accept or, you know, be entrapped to the, to the, to the methods and the mechanisms of the past, like we have to collectively come together to make a change. And what I loved, and I'm curious about actually, is that, you know, in our space, we had, on one hand, the physical Swiss Army, you know, taking over base camp, and in this in this school that we're operating in, and then I found it just fascinating, because you have like, almost like the spiritual army, which is like, everyone has a balance. And that kind of the underpinning of it is is that is that this school and I know that the headmaster, you know, he kind of said like, it is a bit intense, obviously children to see like, you know, the actual army with like, all of our things, but in the energy in the essence of like, what has when you walk into sometimes a building or you know, a space, you feel like what's happened there in the past? And I'm so curious to see like how that will maybe somehow permeate in that school in particular. And I think it'll be so cool for house a balanced kind of maybe operating spaces, like where it's like future societies are, are being nurtured and grown. But that's just a side thought. And yeah, the actually, another question I wanted to ask you is, so talking about, of course, the future? What, what can we expect for next year? Like what have been some of the the just the observations, the reflections? Of course, you mentioned more scaling with going to other conferences and things. But have you had time to think about next year? And what you what you'd like to see more of?


Dr. Victor Pineda  37:24  



Tiffany Harnsongkram  37:26  

yeah. So we are on a principle of self organisation where there are emergent collisions of life missions, we'll say, where people have come together and formed collaborative groups, off of some of the sessions that we held that house of balance, but what the initial intention was, as well as to allow us to build a bridge towards our next evolution, whether it's a personal evolution, or corporate evolution. So how to balance wants to serve as a provider of those bridges as a provider of the blueprints, that we all need to live into ourselves more fully. And I think it's an inevitability. When we look at corporate trends and the dropout rates of employees and what they're truly seeking in life, you see that they're looking for workplaces, where they can bring their whole self where they can bring their heart, they can bring their passion, their prioritisation of family, and loving relationships and personal health, and all of these topics of balance. We need to deprogram ourselves and break out of this cog in the wheel situation that we've created in in many companies, where we allow people to show up as their full selves, knowing that their full selves are going to be far more professionally motivated than if they can only bring part of themselves to the table. So


Dr. Victor Pineda  38:53  

it's an accelerator for personal tracks, professional development, it's an accelerator for your sort of holistic transformation. So if you feel like incomplete or unfulfilled, you leave your work, right? The great resignation has been super disruptive for companies. It's affecting the global economy. And the pandemic created anxiety and a lot of isolation, a lot of separation. So I think this is all part of a much bigger narrative, where there are moments when the world faces tremendous threats, and people sort of self organise themselves into clusters of changemakers and doers and visionaries. Margaret Mead said, you know, don't be surprised that a small group of committed people can change the world. Because it's the only thing that ever has. I'm paraphrasing, but I think this is a small group of committed people. And we are capable of changing the world. We create a model at a time and a place that can grow at can offer a way for people to accelerate their personal and professional development, we'll find the solutions we need to tackle climate change and species extinction. And, you know, digital disruptions and all these things. I'm sure


Tiffany Harnsongkram  40:47  

if I can give some concrete examples of what's come out of this year, for example, are there's a working group around creating educational programmes, whether that is creating more inclusive corporate systems or creating better education for our children, creating systemic programmes by which we can accelerate impactful ventures and impactful solutions for the SDGs we have another working group that's working on land preservation, specifically in the indigenous forest areas, South America, but also globally, policy change maker from New Zealand has recently joined as well, he's been very successful in doing that, and sharing our successes and sharing our strategies around creating this change openly, without without fear without territorialism, we can, we can do much more together, we have programmes that help companies transition to sustainable manufacturing. There's even leadership symbiosis programmes that we're providing as well, where we can teach leaders how to lead companies in the new era, where we're working in symbiosis with humanity as we are as natural people wanting to connect and wanting to live with passion and purpose, as well as in symbiosis with the planet. So already, there are so many offerings and solutions that are coming forward from this year that we can provide to individuals or companies that are looking for their next step their next evolution and wanting a little guidance or wanting a tried to do it with and wanting that support system. And that's that's just going to keep growing as we continue these conversations and continue the collaborations between events as well.


Farah Nanji  42:41  

Yeah, absolutely. I think again, it comes down to accountability, like you knowing who you are, if you serve a company who that is what they stand for. It's not just a brain, what are they not brainwashing, the greenwashing kind of things that get said, are so easy to put on a marketing ploy finding those tribes where you can tangibly feel, even if you're there for an hour, you've walked away with so much knowledge and most importantly, a community that you can turn to you to find that, to find those answers and to find that information and to feel connected, and to


Dr. Victor Pineda  43:11  

find the courage or to find the courage within yourself, in order to let go of the past, cannot let go of all of these cycles that no longer serve us. You need a little bit of courage to go into the unknown, like some of the incremental steps that are taken are important, but are insufficient. We need radical Lee accelerated bold collective action can that can only happen if you feel safe? If you feel like you've got other people got your back. So this is not an error. This is not a light touch kind of a moment. And we're not creating a light touch experience or a deep structural shift for the board leaders that are committed and capable to shifting the course of Humanity.


Farah Nanji  44:21  

Absolutely. And it takes courage as you say, because it's a huge undertaking. And I think what galvanises a lot of that is that the people that that are magnetised to this are operating at that same urgency. And that is so important because we know that we somehow have to leave this world in a better place. And we cannot just take a step back, like every area, whether that's our family life, whether that's the company, whether it's a team, there has to be, you know, improvement and education of finding a better value chain because it's designed inherently sometimes wrong from the beginning. So Uh, you know, that's the thing, right? So I don't know if there's anything I haven't asked you that you want me to touch upon. But otherwise, I think it's a really good place to kind of, to to end our conversation,


Dr. Victor Pineda  45:11  

I think we can invite the audience to check out some of the other work that we're doing to finish, as launched impact world as a way to sort of accelerate progress towards sustainable development goals, as well as Phoenix acceleration services to help startups really get on investment ready track, to really creating solutions and services that we meet, right and the capital that's required to scale that. And you know, I've been leading the data Foundation, world enabled as a global impact nonprofit, that is really doing systemic change, based on social justice and based on radical inclusion. But also with world of abled, providing training programmes for companies and organisations that look at inclusive innovation, right, looking at innovation is not just deploying technology, but actually to have things systems that are more effective systems that have fewer barriers, and then allow people to sort of realise their potential. So all these things are fully aligned. It's sort of a beautiful ecosystem. And there's others. Yeah, there's sustainable brands, sustainable networks, there's there's a lot of sort of committed value a light companies and restaurants in this consortium. encourage you to check it all out.


Farah Nanji  46:55  

Amazing. Well, both of you guys are forces to be reckoned with and definitely we'll, we'll put in the links as well of the places that you guys have have mentioned. And, you know, keep keep going with it. It's all very, very important. Important work. Thank you both so much for for jumping on the mission makers podcast, and look forward to seeing you guys in real life again soon.


Dr. Victor Pineda  47:17  

Thank you for having us. Thank you.

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