Farah Nanji: 0:01  

 

You're listening to the Mission Makers show, a podcast that inspires humans to get into the mindset of success. My name's Farah Nanji. And I'm the founder of a business in the Motorsports industry that explores leadership lessons from things like Formula One. I'm also a DJ and music producer in the underground electronic scene, and a public speaker on key topics like resilience, building high performance teams, overcoming learning difficulties and stimulating creativity. And to tie it all together, I love writing thought provoking content as a journalist with these industries, which is so unique in themselves. On this show, I'm sitting down with some of the most inspiring and driven people I've met around the world to talk about their processes, their failures, the lessons they've learned, and how they are truly making an impact in this world.

 

Joining us today is a DJ and music producer who's on a meteoric rise in the underground scene. He's played for some of the biggest brands in the world, including robot hearts at Burning Man. He was the resident DJ of SoCal loco in Ibiza, and he recently got signed to one of dance music's biggest labels of Crosstown rebels. He fell in love with electronic music at a similar age to me around the age of 12. And since then, he's dedicated his whole life to it. We catch up with Frankie, who's locked down in his home city of Rimini in Italy, and we talk about some really important topics such as what happens when you reach the peak of what you held as the ultimate benchmark for success? And what happens next? How does the pressure change when you then look for the next mountain to climb? And how do you operate in a world which is filled with a lot of ego and relies upon an innate ability to read energy, not only on the dance floor, but from the people that you choose to work with as well. Just before we begin if you're interested in watching the video version of this podcast, head over to YouTube and type in Mission Makers Francesco Mami to see the show. 

 

Farah Nanji: 2:00  

 

Hey, Frankie, how are you? 

 

Francesco Mami: 2:02  

 

I'm fine and you?

 

Farah Nanji: 2:04  

 

Yeah, I'm great. Thanks. How's your lockdown?

 

Francesco Mami: 2:09  

 

Well, I'm great I'm great. In end of April I came back to Italy to my own town and so now on being well treated by by my family and my wife so um, let's say it is B is been of course a terrible moment for the old for the for the entire planet, that type of relation but personally I came back to my roots and you know I get closer to my family to find support me and my wife we were expecting a baby we now have a baby so we wanted to look for a safer place to give birth to the baby and stay and be quiet. So it was not a selfish choice was a family choice. But I do miss London though. And do nbcu I do I do miss I do miss the family I grew I grew up and then I grew up with and and I have built in London because I'm definitely sure the last six or seven years in London they definitely made me the madman I am at the moment so I'm very thankful for you to you to the city London in particular to you and the closest friends as well.

 

Farah Nanji: 3:15  

 

Oh well I'm going to be really interested to know about what it's been like coming back home and creatively like you say rediscovering your city but let's go back to the beginning. You were born in Rimini and I would like to know how it all began. Where did this seed get planted that you really want to devote your life to music?

 

Francesco Mami: 3:40 

 

I saw there is a very intimate sir. I mean that my passion for music and my passion to do what I do right now. So being an attorney musician, it started when I was very young I can tell was I was really really really really young. And I definitely think the city helped a lot because we may need a seaside place all the time. We have what we used to have even more in a more intense way before a strong club in the electronic music scene. The Atari music was not even so our our our older friends our or someone of some older brothers of my friends were already involved in technology music. So when you were already nine or 10 of 11 you will get in touch what was the music of the 90s at the moment so I'm definitely the city health and how the safety the the push that drove me into literally music was my curiosity was my curiosity because I was always been interested in how things are, are functioning and working not just and being made programme functional working. How can I do that? I can replicate that. So, again, thanks to my city here, there used to be a very famous trade show affair about electronic music, electronic instruments and club culture was a massive international trade show. So from 85 to 96, used to be this sorry, 85 to 9099 used to be the very big trade show that was comparable to what is the WMC conference in Miami, actually, even is not so different from Miami. Fewer, fewer, fewer. A smaller population, which is not, it's not, it's not it's not very far from that is, in many cases. So we had we had where this type of trade show where all the biggest brands that were having having their own stance, or the biggest artists of the biggest label at the moment, so I was literally a very young kids like 1112 years old kid, and I was, I was going to see you know, how people always big stand, you know, an exhibition of musics and and, and music instruments. So I was basically collecting catalogues and manuals. So then I was going back home, and that was really how I was reading all the specifics or the futures of the specs of all the instruments and, and then I was trying to put a little bit of cyber settings. So when I wanted to get to 1718, I finally had my clear ideas and a clear mind of what we have what to buy. So when I get a DNA build, I buy the boat and build my own studio.

 

Farah Nanji: 6:41

  

We've got a young Frankie there.

 

Francesco Mami: 6:46  

 

Yeah, we're not here yet. 

 

Farah Nanji: 6:52 

 

How did your parents react to you saying, I want to study electronic music production? And did you study electronic music? Or did you go to university? 

 

Francesco Mami: 7:01 

 

So when I started, I was failing during high school, and, and my parents, they stole the half whatever, putting in it. But they didn't, at the time, they didn't, they didn't understand that. That was my way, my goal was my dream. So high thought at the beginning, I thought at the beginning, that I could manage to be a good student, and maybe manage to have different dreams, but for the different music from them from the from that from a from from a dream of being an artist, or musician. So I think I consolidated and I understood what I really wanted to do during my uni time, and so on. And, and when I went back to my parents to say, Listen, I'm quitting University, because I'm pursuing 100% music. I was already a professional and music professionals, the music's already my business. So I didn't have to apologise that much. My parents saw me happy for what I was doing, they saw me as a good member of society. So I was a real person with real dreams with a real job. Not just for chasing a dream. So they reacted quite well actually, they've always been supportive. Personally, my mom actually is kind of awkward, because I have some, you know, some very nightlife and nightclub pictures is the very first fun of my social media accounts. So I have to pay extra attention at the time.

 

Farah Nanji: 8:45  

 

Yeah, I think, my mom is certainly someone who is on my sort of artist page. And in fact, even I've got my grandmother in Pakistan, who I'm always laughing about because, I remember, when I was getting into the movement in Detroit once and she, like, loved this love status, she just kind of liked all of these things. And sometimes she's actually dancing to my music. And we're talking about someone who is almost in their 80s, who certainly didn't grow up with this type of music whatsoever. And, it's amazing. That actually, nicely leads me on to my next question, as an artist, are there a certain type of person like you're playing this for? Who do you want to touch with your music? Has it always been the same from when you started?

 

Francesco Mami: 9:37 

 

From my point of view, I mean, from what I experienced and the way you want to share and this I think you're gonna answer a lot of questions and a lot of ideas. What for me is really important is the message you want to share. Right? Because when you consolidate all the say when you find the message right, then the rock has the message evolved with you. So when I was in my teenage in my teens, I you, my message was there, but the rapping was more insurance, specific and niche music. Then I grew up, I discovered the world of DJing or international Legion. So my message was wrapped in a different paper. So was wrapped not another not anymore in what was Rat Bait or cultural music I was what was more rock, what into what is called techno, Detroit techno, then I evolved into ours, then I went back to techno and now and now the same message, I want to share the same message. But now I have the skills I grew up with. I have matured skills and capacity to send my message and share my message to a wider audience. That's for me, it's

 

Farah Nanji: 11:04  

 

What is the essence of the message?

 

Francesco Mami: 11:08  

 

The essence of the message? Is what is okay, this is the essence of the message is sharing your own vision and your own vision is that is your approach to the world. Right? Your approach to that? Well, I know this might be a little bit too metaphysical philosophic for someone that plays techno. But in the media, just the language the meaning is is that is? Exactly. So sharing my open mouth wide open vision of the world through for now what is freedom? And what is techno? And hopefully, I can elaborate a message with Worf.

 

Farah Nanji: 11:56  

 

What does success mean to you? And has that changed over time? And were you prepared? Or did you have an idea of the industry that you're getting into?

 

Francesco Mami: 12:08  

 

sort of the business or the environment around you changes with you? So from my perspective, I never change people around me never changed. And sucks, I'm not sure if what is success, right? Success now is measurable, probably the number of followers or the number of your big, so how much you're recognised. But success intense personally, what really meant to me was more into finally waking up and doing what I love for the for as long as I can. As I said, I developed as I grew up within the industry and with So from my perspective, the changes what changes outside of will sound mean in the environment suddenly changes within me. So I still feel the young kid trying to do my best. And then regarding success, I thought eight years ago, I I reached the big attack on Sheila. I touched my spine when I was playing psychology. And then when I was there and you went I when I was that I was living the moment I enjoyed so much and then understood Oh wait, there's something more in the world. And then when I went to start releasing music when I started to be recognised as a producer and having my own studio and you know, and growing as an international producer said, there's something more in this world Listen, let's discover that. And now that definitely I'm having. I'm getting artistic recognition, right. So people identify themselves with my music. This is for me, what success is, is when people can recognise themselves in your art in your music, and they can appreciate that without, without you selling it. Right, it's a different movement from instead of you proposing is people that are attracted to what you're doing that probably it's a good is a good meaning of success. Now that I'm experiencing that, I digested that. Now I'm setting the bar even higher, and I already have bigger dreams.

 

Farah Nanji: 14:35  

 

That's so interesting what you say because you reach a point which you probably had as a benchmark for success, playing the circle oku. I know how much that brand means to you. I understand just how impactful that brand can be for any artist who's in the techno scene and wants to reach that. And then suddenly they climb that mountain And it's like, well, what's next because you can't stay there forever. And the landscape changes people change and the people in the environment may also not be who you thought they would be for that particular label or that brand, because it is ultimately a brand. 

 

Francesco Mami: 15:19 

 

It's a company. I mean, it's a process.

 

Farah Nanji: 15:23  

 

It's a process. And then ultimately, it's like, well, what happens next? 99% of happiness comes from the journey you've taken to getting to that point. And maybe that 1% or 10% is like, well, I'm here, I've done it, but then it doesn't fulfil you anymore. Because it's not challenging you, it's not stimulating you creatively. That's quite interesting. And also what you talk about that people are, gravitating to you now, as opposed to you proposing this music out there and trying to get people to listen to it, which of course, is a breakthrough moment for any artist is, and I know that you've been doing this for probably more than 20 years, I think. And to have that North Star and have that intuition that this is going to work out, that belief, that drive. Changing it now, and basically not feeling that you have to hustle and you have to get sucked into the ecosystem of what artists are and how much they have to sacrifice because some of that is, and I know we've spoken about this quite a lot is, people when you're a DJ or an artist, they want to know ultimately how many people can you bring to this gig? That's just such another whole added pressure in itself because you may not be somebody who wants to spend all of your time messaging your contacts. 

 

Francesco Mami: 16:55  

 

so maybe your art, your art, your being your character, your soul, you as a person might be completely different from your art. So maybe you are an explosive. I don't know like a popstar, maybe you're a very introverted person into an intuitive person. Sorry. So Exactly. So the fact that now that easiest fi request is requesting so many requests to excel in so many aspects of your, of your craft, is nerve racking. That's true. That's true. Well,

 

Farah Nanji: 17:29  

 

it's very commendable and respectable that you've actually managed to do a lot of this without caving into those pressures or promotion, because today when you look at new artists coming in, and it's just to get in that room just to get heard, they have to just do so much more. So now that you know, you've recently been trying to cross town rebels, one of the biggest labels in dance music. 

 

Francesco Mami: 17:57  

 

I'm really happy.

 

Farah Nanji: 17:59  

 

Absolutely. on par with the circle logo, which was many years ago, but obviously, things have changed. How has the pressure now changed for you that you're signed to another huge label?

 

Francesco Mami: 18:15  

 

Okay, I will say out loud was going on in my mind at the moment. So I saw that moment come. weight, consistency. What I mean for that, if you check me out, guys, I mean, this is not this is not a self promoting or other video, but if you know me, so if you check my path and my evolution of sound from from 10 years ago to now right, what I produce what I like, the artists that I was hanging out with, or the artists that I was inspired by, that barely changed, right? So with consistency, I put in my own artistic vision, not me as a producer, because you know, as a producer, I love making music, no matter what, me as an artist. I tried to individually because then you know I have a lot of collaborations, I have a lot of people to say hi and say thank you to share the journey with them. But when I was just by myself, the consistency of the sound is what I loved from day one since I was 12. Right? So now what I consider is when I get in touch, with Damien and the guys in power, the guys from Costa rebels. The guy, the new me, I mean, we were in touch to sit calarco and power is actually from my hometown. So it's a really weird connection as well. But I never pushed it. They knew what it was. Doing it maybe was not just the time in the moment where the sound and Division I was promoting was a sharing with the rest of the world was not the right moment yet? Or maybe the sound was my sound, my vision was not there yet. So now I'm in the position where I'm thinking how can I develop that sound like, Okay, how can I develop my vision without changing the DNA of it? Right? How can evolve it without changing the date, let's say the inner core of it. So, I cannot say the pressure, I would say I, I need to study more. So I think because what is going on is what is going to be released this year in 2020, even though the pandemic is not helping electronic music, because it's really hard to really use it somewhere. So it's very hard to release music that has a meeting as a purpose, mostly on dance floors. But what is very pleasing is 2020, something at writing in 2016. And has been finalised already in 2017. So it took more than two years to write and see what I needed to get to the right part, get into the right hands, get to the right points, get into being played to the right here. So I think I'm gonna invest my time, instead of you know, like it in my fingernails will get stress into study and get back to square one. And this is my advice as well.

 

Farah Nanji: 22:01 

 

When you're sitting in the studio, and you're making something, does it enter your mind that this may not come out for another two or three years?

 

Francesco Mami: 22:09  

 

are most likely? Most likely? Yes. So what I what I what I do is I set the goal for when the goal of my productions when I sit down in the studio and pay myself is what I what I will play in three years now. Right or what, what I would like to play in as well I would like to listen to yours now. And then and then I'll try to fill the gaps in my set to say my, in my isn't my DJ said, Okay, so these trucks are getting all the sound of the recognise myself anymore. So I need to produce tracks, replace them, and they're gonna last awfully forever. But let's say for the light for the longest period of time.

 

Farah Nanji: 23:04 

 

That's super interesting, because I see that you're then challenging yourself, how can you be as forward thinking as possible? By observing what you just said, observing the sound and just really trying to hone in on your listening abilities to think, Okay, well, in two years, I mean, you know, I want to be playing this or I want to be doing this and I mean, that's that's an interesting one.

 

Francesco Mami: 23:32  

 

The DVDs are written as part of that, of course, I nothing comes from nothing This is thermodynamic, right? So what I'm saying is what I do, as well. So my profession as a producer, that helps me a lot in feeding my repertoire of sources. So this I mean, I just want to point out that exercise and practice definitely helps and is already in the process.

 

Farah Nanji: 24:10  

 

And so what inspirations do you go to, to try and figure out where the world is going to be in the next two three years? I'm sure neither of us could have forecasted this last Christmas when we're at your house.

 

Francesco Mami: 24:24  

 

Yeah, definitely. Actually last Christmas we were already planning Oh yeah. Next summer we're gonna be so busy and I will travel to the world so let's go back to Italy. So my wife could stay on the family in case there was so Okay, so decreased bone. I mean, credit the magic crystal ball of predictions of our war more to the future. Is not that the answer is right. is not is not isn't Not only try to predict instant try to stay ahead of times, that helps you to have a clear vision of the future. From my point of view, it comes from being as much as prepared as I can now, so I can react quicker. I can I Okay, so, or where's the sun coming out? Let's see how I can team or like I can deal with this new synthesiser or let's see how Oh, wow, let's investigate some sounds from the past. So I can , I can study and I can understand what's missing from that sound. And so let's try to reach to fill the gap.

 

Farah Nanji: 25:53  

 

Interesting. And then if we take it into a bit of a different lens, because this is quite an interesting one, you've got your hat as a producer, and you're trying to be forward thinking and you're trying to think what sounds we're gonna involve. And when you DJ is there a difference? Is it the same producer type of hat? I personally find that in my sets I'm happy to have at least 30 to 40% of that as old songs because they are timeless for me. And there is a beauty within that where you know, you can listen to so many songs that they haven't been put out there to be discarded in, in two months, three months, you know, there's like you say, somebody could have spent so much time producing that track. I know, some of the stories or the journeys I've been through with tracks. 

 

Francesco Mami: 26:43  

 

What's been next to you for a while?

 

Farah Nanji: 26:46 

 

for it to be discarded. 

 

Francesco Mami: 26:50  

 

Okay, so this is a good question. Basically, I have two separate paths. And two separate way of thinking, right? Is me as an entertainer, or me as a shaman slash leader of Delft. That's for no one. I mean, I mean, magnetic artists that have him in charge for the night, right? So when it comes to entertaining, most of the time, I found the answer in the past. Why? Because when I want to entertain a wider audience, or people that have not into electronic music, 24 seven, right? My answer is that the past comes from the past, because I go to the source of light. So for example, let's say I want to entertain someone with a vocal track, right? I got to say to them, well, the most well produced and the best sounding vocal track and most likely just come from the past because then that let's say that vocal track developed a sound through the years that now maybe is too mainstream or is too or it doesn't reflect my own vision. Right. So or I do a lot of research and when me as a defendant that Frank deejays as entertainer digs a lot in the past, right? Instead when it comes for me to express myself as an artist and and exactly so be the leader be in charge. He doesn't like it exactly like this week, because I had to prepare a two hours podcast for Crosstown rebels is gonna be out Tuesday end of July 28. So I get to, because I've been kind of rusty the last four months or further there wasn't practising. It wasn't digging that much. So I spent three weeks back end digging. So then I could let's say I could list the steps in my process. So the step in my process in picking up and choosing the new music festival there is the first of all, I rely on the artists and labels I'm in love with. So there are a few others are a few artists, a few labels in the few secrets that really reflect my DJ vision not of this diverse a digital vision way, my way of making people or making people dance. So and most of these labels, they rarely fail. Right? They rarely fail and so I can trust them. And then I then so I do into this label at Deakin the artists that are there around the orbiting around this label then another exercise I do is headings so I do edits I re added existing tracks is that when mixing is not I just received a shuffle and reorder the puzzle pieces of that track and I had some some flavourings and sold some spices to that that they are reef not refreshing they're realigning that music with Division I am at the moment, sometimes you get lucky with promos, so be your you get lucky with with promo music so labels your friend when they're sending you a list and this is gonna be the net promo and then oh well thank you so much this is gold, it's a really nice feeling a saw or when it comes to digging high rely on minutes of alignment, don't say I'm confident of the people I'm all I'm orbiting around so the label and follow the artists many dealt with. And this is my See, we know it might sound a little bit silly but I trust the elderly. So this is a game that is older than myself. So I asked artists that they have at least double or three times the amount of hours on the decks or years of career so I speak to them ask them I showed them something I like at the moment and most likely they're going to reply me yes but this is sounds like this kind of both 40 years ago and then from that you check the label and then slowly climb back or you climb back up in time yes basically from the past you climb up backup in time to where you are now. So you see all the or the change or the other or the rings in the chain and you and you get to the point

 

Farah Nanji:  32:13 

 

interesting and talking about the kind of

 

Francesco Mami: 32:18  

 

I call it a dance style

 

Farah Nanji: 32:22  

 

Well as you as you rightly mentioned when you are DJing and you know hundreds of people or even two people whatever it is they've trusted you, they come to wherever you're playing and you are kind of guiding and leading the energy and the the direction of where things are flowing. What and this is something I get asked a lot and there's no textbook answer of course the real skill of a DJ is reading the energy in a room and being able to capture it and navigate it and enhance it in a different way. How do you personally read energy? Particularly let's not forget when walking into a room where for the most part of people you don't actually know. 

 

Francesco Mami: 33:15  

 

Oh you but most likely I get most likely Actually yes or maybe you just you know or you just by yourself or but sometimes. Um so I okay, I'll try to describe with words something that is how traumatic obviously is muscle memory there are two travellers to divide into better there are a few aspects in the crowd reading when I'm when I'm when I'm trying to describe the art of DJing to not DJs or not people involved in music, always I always describe it has um I think sometimes DJing or entertainer in a room or stand up comedy or anything that is is has an immediate an immediate response to what you're doing is very close to a psychology session when you are that psychologist. So you are there. And you are trying to not try you and you're and part of the journey is to understand what's going on in the clouds mind. It's a club so luckily nothing Nobel Prize was worth it. Or maybe I don't know, but today is d d. The craft gets better with practice and with mistakes right And so, all I try is to have sequences of sort of different plants and these plants are made of sequences of two or three songs, right? So a crescendo or a decrescendo or a climax or a sequence of two three songs, I know they ignite a specific emotions, or a specific euphoria or a specific or a specific Yes, a specific phase, or I have a sequence of tracks that can be easily understood but from non electronic music lovers, whatever specific sequence that anytime your niche, or exclusively, let's say I was very very connoisseurs of political music they can understand. So when I'm there, I try to understand where my Where Where is my cover up in terms of in terms of level of commitment to the to the to the music, less commitment, I have a sequence that is easy to understand more commitment, I have a sequence that, that that is more difficult to understand. And when you unlock this with the sequence, then you're allowed to experiment and you, you you, you have their approval, or you or you pay homage to the crowd and so the crowd is now Okay, we respect you, we love you. We like you so now let's see what you got: being a crowd pleaser or pretending to be to please everyone is the delusion of guns or I think not even not even a mighty mighty God can do that all at once. So then I developed that idea to understand where the crowd is up in commitment to the music.

 

Farah Nanji: 37:15  

 

That's really interesting. I mean ultimately people come out to release energy and to have a good time right and to be inspired and to be moved. Not everyone has the same feeling or the emotion but what are some of the feelings and emotions that you're trying to kind of evoke?

 

Francesco Mami: 37:49  

 

So on our sentence Exactly, so the meaning so that the message within the music and player so the visual music can play is more exactly saw, make you move. We tout sorry, actually, without, sorry, with music, you can remember something you can after the set, or when you come in back home, or on the way to the after party, you still have a I see. Remember, this combination of these facts is something I've never heard before, or is something that really impressed me bad or good. This is how they are. But it's really something that is not just never done, because this is potential, but it's something that is memorable. Maybe even a mistake.

 

Farah Nanji:  38:52 

 

That's interesting. So it's no secret that DJs have to really tap into that third eye and tap into that sixth sense to navigate and understand someone's energy. Do you feel like that has also helped you in reading people's energy on a personal level with the people you choose to surround yourself with? 

 

Francesco Mami: 39:24  

 

I can say that. That thought Are you talking about comes mostly from practice and your mistakes. Right so the sensibility to to have the right answer at the moment with the music comes from your mistakes. That's why Lincoln is out of your question because being able to, to make mistakes to get wrong or or or being allowed to to experiment and fail, is because you have a safety net. And the safety net is not bad, let's say our stupid parachute is a crew and network around you, that is not only supportive, because then supportive brings no leads to self pity. But at the bill that is inspiring you and, and pushing you to do better next time instead of regretting and being facility about the mistakes. So the people around you are definitely half if not 95% of the people who are at the moment. Yeah, your

 

Farah Nanji: 40:44  

 

Vibe attracts your tribe 100%

 

Francesco Mami: 40:46  

 

Exactly. Your vibe attracts your tribe. And even if you just say that the interest or the everyday people you're meeting is definitely yes, it definitely has a huge impact and huge influence in what you're doing and now you're doing it and how confident and chilled and relaxed you are in what you're doing. Because if you make a mistake, and you are prepared to do so, to beat this to failure as well, nothing happened. Right? back feet, you trot around and you're done. Right and then and then you digest and process the mistake or a failure. Right? instead if the people around you are there because they expect too much from you or, or are not at the same level of yourself. Or they're just there because they are trying with you in your energy with your energy then if you're not comfortable, you're not comfortable, you're not relaxed. You're not relying on your estate , you are overthinking most of the time. And there is where you cannot process your own mistakes because the mistakes are not mistakes anymore or wrong decisions.

 

Farah Nanji: 42:17  

 

Yeah, and also It's no secret that many people idolise DJs and artists and want to surround themselves with success and experience, and it can become quite egotistical, really. So staying as far away from people like that in particular. 

 

Francesco Mami: 42:44 

 

It's a social media war now, so popularity jumps in right so being there hanging out with those with the right guys, the right selfies at the right moment or whatever. For maybe people not involved in art, there's actually so 15 minutes there now, there now, the famous end of the war or 15 minutes there now, the strength there shrank into the 15 seconds of success the people are looking for. It's important there. Yeah, no, sorry, I was going to the next question because I was trying to have something to add before in terms of our Oh yes, sorry, this is an egoistic egocentric world right. Because at the very end, you are under the spotlight, you like to be under the spotlight. And you are playing with tools that are leading thousands and 10s of 50 100,000 honours 1000 people right? So it definitely comes to ecocentric. I mean to yourself exposing yourself right. The problem is with the problem, then the action of sharing and accepting this agro centric energy or this energy. For me, it's a big game. The sizes are big, a big save, say, the denominator of this is how comfortable with yourself you are, right. The same because if you're if you have, if you don't have if you have if you're okay with yourself before or after success before or after the gig before or after recognition. You are not just true to yourself, but you are so You are aligned in the right way before. So, you are sharing the right vision, you are sharing the best version of yourself. Right? Because you are happy already. You are fulfilled with love or happiness and all in all, decide on emotions that are comforting you. Right? Instead, if you're if, if the pain you know the that that pie is you know that the fire under your feet is ignite your quick ration your rage, your wiggle your wheel of making, get your ass, I want to break the war, you know, that if it's not counterbalanced by knowing who you are, and a certain level of happiness around you can is actually can develop can evolve in that kind of hago centric spoiled idea of junky rock star we may have.

 

Farah Nanji: 46:06  

 

I have goosebumps. I mean it's just so powerful what you say because it's so true. You could start this very young, like both of us, started this very young, we were teenagers, you weren't even a teenager, you haven't grown up to become an adult, you're thrown into shark infested waters, you don't even know what it is because you haven't even grown up, you don't even know. And then you're there and you have to navigate and everybody and their mother wants to be surrounded by you. And you should never need to be validated by someone else to feel happy to feel fulfilled. And it's so easy to get lost in this world of music. I mean, it's just so true. And of course, when you add drugs and all the other things that happen in this industry, just you know, it's no secret, and you know, you can get it. 

 

Francesco Mami: 47:03  

 

It's terrible, because then depression is around the corner. Hangovers and, and Exactly. And not be in touch with yourself anymore. It's driving you crazy. I mean, it's also I mean, we all have been there and and, and, and, and I mean, the rock bottom is even lower when you think you touched rock bottom. Right? So it's very difficult to do so Exactly. So seeking approval is not the right message you can share. Sharing that you're happy with you is happy with you're happy with what you are at the moment, maybe it's gonna have a different impact or a bigger impact or a warmer and brighter impact.

 

Farah Nanji: 48:02  

 

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. It's so true. And I'm so happy that we met. it's so important who you surround yourself with and I think on one on the one hand, you'll have your friends but if you have a crew of people, not even many, like yourself who are in the same career paths, who understand the same pressures who face the similar issues, people will be able to help you navigate and not lose sight and when I went through some really tough things in music industry and particularly when you're young and there's there's two sides to the equation, some of which you've touched on, that transformation between when you're trying to get heard, and when people are naturally gravitating towards you and you know that you deserve to be heard because like everybody else you put in too much effort, it's a very personal journey but then you see other people around you want to take that away from you because some people are jealous of success or don't want to you know, there's just so many negative forces and actually it's so important when you're in this industry and particularly to have this kind of like spiritual group of friends that like protect preserve your energy. 

 

Francesco Mami: 49:23  

 

I want to add something to what I was saying before the app Okay, the biggest step forward I've taken in this process, why was able to say no, cut the sick branches of my tree. Right. So what had me in this was having the courage because we understand that you cannot please everyone, right. And, and, and, and, and sometimes big No, or cutting the relationship with someone or cutting the relationship with someone that you think you could work with, or you could help your career, sometimes it's really important to have the decision, and the and the and the courage and the power to say, listen, not gonna work. Go Go. I mean, if it is for it is for my own free sort of format for format from I come from a from, from my ego for myself that I have to have to take another route, I have to go to move forward to move backwards. It doesn't mean at the end, but it's important to make decisions. And don't be afraid to cut or to subtly to destroy relationships.

 

Farah Nanji: 51:09  

 

I like the phrase, cutting negative cords at the end of the day. And I think when you're in a landscape like London, where it's so fiercely competitive, it's very easy to try and keep resilient with a particular opportunity. Because those opportunities do not come like buses, you spend a valuable amount of time developing to be in that particular place to receive that opportunity. So it's very hard to have that courage to say no, and that is a very powerful thing. So I just want to talk a little bit about something that you touched upon a little bit. you've been doing this for decades. How do people manage the burnout culture within DJs? How do you stay healthy? Do you have any rituals? 

 

Francesco Mami: 52:01

  

Right is the family of my family. What the banners and the projection are of good and evil that my family gave to me, really helped me to see to never lose the plot and split away, being healthy or stay healthy. myself, my answer is sports or activities. Sounds silly, but, in my teenage years, my high school years, I've been a professional swimmer. And that mindset of good care of my body and good care of myself. And, and knowing that, with practice, and an exercise comes, the results are coming. So this mindset really helped me to never lose the plot again. So even though I'm not saying I like to explore and like to lose myself, always within a safe environment is last but not the least. My partner, my wife, or the people around me, they always grab my neck when I was down the rabbit hole.

 

Farah Nanji: 53:23  

 

Talking about this pandemic, what's your creativity been like? because obviously, all of the things pretty much have been stripped away from getting on a plane touring, all of this stuff. Have you found that you'd be more productive in the studio? What's it been like coming back to your hometown? Have you felt inspired in a different way?

 

Francesco Mami: 53:41  

 

Yes. Okay, the pandemic is a tragedy. I mean, it's just a tragedy. Sorry, I don't want to be so much. What happened? Well, what happened? What happened to the world? And, and actually, what's going on, in terms of information now around this pandemic? Is it horrible? First of all, first of all, we definitely, especially here in Italy, because the average age is a little bit older than the UK or Probably not, but let's say we are a very old country. So here is a big chunk. So a big chunk of our generations of grandfathers and grandmothers they disappeared alone in hospitals so it's really it's really this is something in London I didn't experience because I didn't have her elderly around me and and i was there as I was living in this London saw no one cared or probably not even caring at this moment. We were just young and free, beautiful and happy and healthy. So I was this just just a little cold right? So we had this idea that can we make here resize my vision of About the pandemic emphasise my, my rage against that, what's what's going to happen? Right? Why now why this, I mean, this is all a conspiracy, this is all between this really precisely my point of view or regarding the pandemic, economically, professionally and philosophically was going on. I mean, we are really lucky generation because we never expected generation and we are born in this a in a country that's in our in our free or free country and democratic countries. So we've never experienced what war is, right? Or what is what is being deprived of your freedom. We had a glimpse right now and it's terrible. Know what I mean? We had been confined to our home, we had been, we didn't, we couldn't, we were not allowed to hug people around us or to hug our own parents, our relatives, and so on. So we had a glimpse. And at the same time, I think historically, this pandemic has affected the war at this, I mean, maybe at a certain point, almost like a war would have would have done, grab my poor English, they would have done, right. So or, I'm thinking that this moment, especially if you could survive through this time, right? So if you could survive. So if you were not struggling because of your learning enough, if you had time to regroup, and stay put is a time to, again to study, practice, and evolve. Because in any case, in any case, yes, of course, we will be back to rave, we will be back to hug each other sweating in a small confined place. We're not afraid of contagion of viruses or be contagious and become Yes, of being a contagious environment of big fear of being attacked by the virus, we will be back because medicine or anything will help to get the process. But definitely the world has changed. And even our profession, or our pillars, our security, our security is what we consider granted. We will use it for granted now. Right? And I really appreciate you asking me to do this interview because I consider talking, speaking, explaining, sharing with different media than just no spinnin Records and cutting the queue. I think it's a step forward in who I am as an artist, what I am as a person as well. For example, for example, you know, you know, this year was really special, especially for my, for my summer in the UK because I thanks to Orca sound project, I, I had the opportunity to perform at Glastonbury, right, you know, is the quintessential UK festival every time it was, you know, using the escalators from the queue, whether it was seeing the posters, there's at all Wow, can you imagine my name over there? Can you mention my name over there? And finally this year could happen. And, Glastonbury Festival being you know, pioneers and other cities say a symbol of progress as a symbol of, or at Vanguard is a symbol of community, right? Their response was quick, effective and inspiring. So, two weeks ago was the fourth fourth third of July so it's sort of July. So on the fourth of July two ShangriLa stages that Gustavo stages they did what probably would be normal in 10 years or 15 years. Right? They had their first divorce in virtual reality. Right and I could perform. I was honoured to perform because my name was next to the artists they are the reason why I'm here at this point. So I was not just overwhelmed by the by by the by this project, but really aware Was it 700 right 77 so the idea of Not just waiting for something but prepare and react and and be an embrace the change instead of just waiting for things to come back to normal yes this is for me kept me sane during this pandemic the lockdown and all this time

 

Farah Nanji: 1:00:23  

 

So how did it work with the virtual set? Was it a pre recorded set or did you have the freedom to play?

 

Francesco Mami: 1:00:30  

 

no was pre recorded on a green screen right was pretty cool in the green screen and and then they were of course they were placing yourself within a 3d and I felt old because I didn't know what twitch It was about you know what fortnight was about and so it's very close to what this POV type of games are his point of view games are so you're your you you create or by your avatar and you go into a festival and in a state of the festival there's me playing this you playing this character explaining this all the other all these other people did you

 

Farah Nanji: 1:01:19  

 

I mean I've been doing the virtual thing and it's a really interesting one because there are a few things, do you really think that we are going to go back to this sweaty dance floor? At least not for quite some time because every time they seem to happen things just go wrong, people super spreading and this and that. it's destroyed a lot of venues and careers. 

 

Francesco Mami: 1:01:45  

 

For example, they opened up but South Korea was the fastest sell and they had a really strict and almost dictatorial way of dealing with the pandemic. they solve different enterprises in a matter of weeks, and they open up pops and our pseudocolor clubs in the old way in a new you know, new new episodes of Coronavirus popped up because I know that because there's a big techno scene and following few labels and stuff from Spain as well. They open up again they open up clubs yes reduce capacity to buy the same and everything and everything blew up again for them. Instead I'd been in Swiss or played in Switzerland, the 11th of August there things that look like the never net something sudden, anything socially the pandemic never happened. It was kind of scary.

 

Farah Nanji: 1:02:44  

 

I know you drove down which is phenomenal because that's like a six seven hour drive from Rimini or something. 

 

Francesco Mami: 1:02:51  

 

Yes. I was driving stick by the way, not an automatic car.

 

Farah Nanji: 1:03:01

  

I mean, that's a serious commitment. Hey, I'm DJ, I'm not just gonna drive. Not so long or before you played there there was that case in Zurich where they opened up the clubs and one guy came in who happened to be a super spreader and 300 people were infected and he went to two clubs that night. So that is also happening.

 

Francesco Mami: 1:03:30  

 

Yeah, it is. It is a Russian roulette. one fourth of the going going to open spaces. I'm not saying that I'm not saying that a guy's This is the future of clubbing we will have been with our 3d helmets in droves and we're going to have drinks and drugs delivered to us robots. I don't say this in the future right? But it's definitely something that will leave simultaneously to the club scene. We are both as you say we're both spark space enthusiasts right? Can you imagine when in 100 years we'll have a stable space station or with commercial flies or a stable colony amounts of colony on the moon or or any other celestial objects in the solar system? Can you imagine that? That people will have to party, we will have to join, we will have to dance with the music, right? Can you even dance in zero G will be quite an experience. And so the idea of that doesn't have to be that's the same formula that the DJs are within the club, the streaming the performing Not in front of a crowd, not in front of a crowd but in front of viewers. listener followers will have We have a future. It's not just an equity stick Look at me thing, just a way to share music with people that cannot be with you at the moment. I'm trying to see how the glass is half full and I'm not. I know I'm probably a little bit naive. But in the long run from now on, behind the foreseeable future, that will be ideal, right? Can you imagine our grand, grand, grand, grand, grand, grand, grand grand a fuse rygel? children? They will, right, they will perform music for someone on a different planet or a different sort of system. Right? So there's no right, so the idea of performance is we have to, we have to point the finger and just wait for the past to come back. We've never let that happen. It's like, is like waiting, or waiting for your ex partner to come back with you. And then when you go back to bed it is not the same anymore, right? That feeling is terrible. So why clubbing will not be the same. So we need to involve ourselves.

 

Farah Nanji: 1:06:13  

 

So interesting what you just said. We have kind of broken up with a dance floor for a bit. Yeah, I mean, gosh, if there was a way in, like 200 years time where, hopefully, sooner than that, you could be on Mars, and we could tune in. We had virtual headsets and we could feel like we were actually there.

 

Francesco Mami: 1:06:37  

 

How does it feel like to be back on Mother Earth? Right.

 

Farah Nanji: 1:06:43  

 

Yeah, absolutely. If it's still there.

 

Francesco Mami: 1:06:46  

 

Exactly. If it's still in one piece?

 

Farah Nanji: 1:06:48 

 

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I think the other thing is this streaming thing, which I've observed quite a lot. I think there's what we talked about before about burnout. DJs. And I think that there's a part where there has been this pressure, particularly from agents, I want you to tour for as many days as humanly possible. And that ultimately isn't sustainable. We've seen artists burn out. 

 

Francesco Mami: 1:07:15  

 

Avicii is the ultimate expression of that. 

 

Farah Nanji: 1:07:18  

 

The ultimate. it's so sad what happened to him, because you're so young.

 

Francesco Mami: 1:07:25  

 

like, if you like, or not, like what the music he was producing in the, and the message he was giving, I mean, his artistic vision was massive. I mean, the people they reached was beyond any expectations. 

 

Farah Nanji: 1:07:43  

 

People come in, and they take, they take that and they see it as a tool for success for themselves, because they can just see how far it can go. I think with the streaming thing, I think what I've definitely observed as well, some artists saying I'm actually really happy to DJ from my living room and get even closer to my fans than I thought I could do. And I may not need to tour in this unsustainable way, as I was. I'm happy to go out and play two or three times a month, to an audience, but I'm equally happy to like to spend some time at home. 

 

Francesco Mami: 1:08:19  

 

I agree with you on this point of view to this point, you need to work on your own house, in get your body at this get mean have your body as his best house and function as possible. When you get to this point, viruses like conduct Coronavirus, or any other viruses have had a stronger role to penetrate and I your, your, your, your, your, your stronger shield against the dangers and you know, and, you know, and, and trucks around the world?

 

Farah Nanji: 1:09:02  

 

It's so interesting, because our previous generations have faced wars that were horrific and involved massive weapons of destruction. Biological warfare, and it just highlighted the importance and sacredness of health. The fact that just because we can move that fast, should we really be moving that fast? It's not sustainable. I know you and I have both been very passionate about the planet and hopefully the people we surround ourselves with are but there are plenty of people in this world who haven't woken up to the realities of, of the planet. 

 

Francesco Mami: 1:09:41 

 

they do exactly so that even without that we don't tend to be too generic, but definitely the level of connection with nature, even even even being extremely technological, you know, and in the 20th and the 22nd century, even faraway, but the fact that At the very end, we are part of an ecosystem that doesn't exclude us to be above this ecosystem, right? And so maybe it's better to invest the great gift that God gave us. It is our ingenious mind. So it's better to focus on, to preserve, and evolve and get better and be part of the ecosystem? Because I mean, I don't know. I mean, the Industrial Revolution brought us to being almost seven, or I think we're going to be 8 billion people and not even a decade.

 

Farah Nanji: 1:10:48  

 

Right. I think we're already there. And I think there are so many people that we don't even know exists.

 

Francesco Mami: 1:10:53  

 

Exactly, exactly. So, we need to invest our resources in how to sustain this amount of population without destroying what we are working on. Right. There. I mean, it is not that simple, that I know we have too many we have to, we have to. The final solution is not out of the population, right? Exactly. This is exactly or this is not a solution. Or the solution is a listen to the way we eat the way we produce food, the way we exploit the environment to sustain yourself. It's a societal route, right? It's not that killing the planet is suicidal, right? Because it breaks the ecosystem or changes the ecosystem, it means Oh, sorry, dogs around talking about animals. So, um, so so Exactly. So this, we're ready to invest in, in and repair the chain and, and be part of the ecosystem? So you're passionate about Yes. Be? Yeah, exactly. And, and a good process is to repair your own ecosystem, it is your body, when the ecosystem is ready for osmosis, you will repair the ecosystem around you, because you will be more responsible in your actions, right? I don't need to have strawberries in winter, because I need to be shipped from Argentina. In winter, they're gonna have winter fruits. Right? Is that simple? And the winter fruits, they are providing me the right nutrients to pass the wind system or the winter, right. Is that easy?

 

Farah Nanji: 1:12:59  

 

Absolutely. We all have to recognise that it's not just recycling. It's not just stopping plastic, it's so many other things. It all comes down to the ecosystem and the output that we put out and also the inputs. I have a few more questions for you. Do you have a different approach when it comes to working collaboratively versus working solo?

 

Francesco Mami: 1:13:28  

 

Totally. So I always consider these jobs an individual journey. Don't take me wrong, we are not in a bank right. So there are not unique skills that every producer has. And there may be more than more or less developed. But let's say unfortunately we don't have that rigid differences at a music bass. The bass player is the bass player. The guitar player is the parent of the drum company the singer is the singer when it comes to collaborations right. I rather be or are the commands or not the commands, right so I want to be the guy having hands on keyboards, mouths and controllers or being just step back and give my inputs because I think I honestly think that the music producer is a solo error is a very individual action. By so when it comes to collaborations, what I do, what I do, eats or listen to what other guys are saying in this proposal, take a step back and develop his own idea. Or the thing I do the most when it comes to collaboration for example how the latest the teacups on came out is Someone is throwing his writing down is throwing out there the first idea like a loop or like a really basic session and then I jump in I jump in with the idea almost off remixing myself this remixing my friends idea. So, yes, when it comes to collaboration, I like the ping pong effect. So, I do something in the back I do some things in the back or I got to this point, you have the rest. And this depends as well. This depends from who you're collaborating with, for example, most of my collaboration and and most of my more eclectic and ethical channel works, they come from my collaboration with my mate Debbie does determine this gentleman artist, friend mate, and companion adventures companion from Cologne. For example, he very alternately taught me what he does, right? So my contribution comes to find to do what it cannot do. Right? Instead other artists can collaborate where I have a clear vision and a Cypher in Assam to achieve. So all the collaboration is cooperation is more in my hands than someone else has. So it always depends. Who is who with all the steering wheels?

 

Farah Nanji: 1:17:01  

 

Yeah, definitely. You can have a co pilot 

 

Francesco Mami: 1:17:07  

 

The copilot like in a plane is just there in case of emergency. Right? Or is ours preparing? Or your or is exactly preparing, preparing or finishing? The captain's actions?

 

Farah Nanji: 1:17:24  

 

Yes, yes. Exactly. Very interesting.

 

Francesco Mami: 1:17:28  

 

And never never a flight and never, never part of the plane, I guess is like that you get so you know, whether the the be the second in command is that in case of emergency in just preparing all the procedures, but it's not actually landing or taking off.

 

Farah Nanji:  1:17:48  

 

I think everyone's got a different role. It comes down to what you want to achieve from the session and everyone getting the equal chance, depending on what they've approached the collaboration for, of course. So, last three questions. I know that you have devoted a lot of your time to teaching, what has your experience as a teacher taught you about yourself and the way that you learn?

 

Francesco Mami: 1:18:18  

 

Um, great question. So, um, this is I answered the question with a little flashback before because I want always, because I guess this this is this interview, this is our, this very interesting conversation is going is gonna, is going to be basically the purpose of this is to share experiences and experience and, and and in the mistakes of an in the mistakes of someone that achieved or is happy with his career, right. So, I developed my sort of music software teaching career because I wanted to rely always on music. I didn't become an artist, unless you have a sponsor, that can be your family or a real sponsor. It's a it's a it's, it's, it's it's a matter of time, right? How much time you can dedicate to thought practices starting and developing your craft to gain time, unfortunately, you need funds. Right? And so I really wanted to invest time and get funds in something that was a line and both indicate pushing me forward in my craft. Right. So I thought that Stop, we took me it took me two years doesn't intend 2011 and also travels to get the apple certifications to be a professional Logic Pro trainer for free, so I wanted to achieve a status where, while I was teaching, even though maybe can be repetitive, or it can be mechanical, or when I was teaching to someone, I was at the same time practising myself, and there was at the same time learning from my students. So in this way, I was time efficient, I was getting sinkewitz repeating and, and solidifying and getting rock solid in my mind what I was doing, and getting new inspiration from the artists that was it I was teaching to or the, or the exactly, or the student I was with. So this is why I opted for the teaching career because I wanted to practice more. And when you practice so much, you want to share your knowledge. And then again, back to the holiday surrounding our sizes to your career, a friend of mine in an after party, of course I thank you, you're solid, you're so passionate, and you're so annoyingly focused on details, as you should teach that are this lesson here. Let me have a look at which is the best option to teach what I do. So my friend ignited the solar ignites that you know, the passion for teaching and then the passions of teaching became a purpose to study and then a week came my teacher and then becoming a teacher at the craft as music producer. So it's a catch 22 is an echo system back to the Yeah, because I mean you you know the struggle how how difficult is to be free to take decisions and to be an artist at the same time having that economical financial freedom to pursue your journey there is a balance so, is not necessary Is that necessary a free fall into the into DJing. So be doing this and, and and he has to be as to mean you have to keep yourself in a healthy situation. And this is means not struggle for food and family means

 

Farah Nanji: 1:23:01 

 

Absolutely and also not forgetting that you are playing at the end of the day and underground dance music is just far smaller than what it is for commercial artists.

 

Francesco Mami: 1:23:12  

 

Yeah, exactly. And so being avant garde or being a part pioneering something is not making you rich. Right. And even the idea of being famous and rich shouldn't be the motivation.

 

Farah Nanji: 1:23:30  

 

Of course. Absolutely. And to the last few questions from me, I know you had your daughter recently and I've been so excited. 

 

Francesco Mami: 1:23:38  

 

She's a good dancer. 

 

Farah Nanji: 1:23:42  

 

Well let's talk about that. It's the beginning of your fatherhood journey.

 

Francesco Mami: 1:23:50  

 

I mean, I just wake up at 9am and just become stupid. 

 

Farah Nanji: 1:24:10  

 

I think awestruck is the word you're looking for. 

 

Francesco Mami: 1:24:14 

 

I found the word to describe what fatherhood happened to me right? So you know you're a young teenager and you discover love for the first time. Right? You're You know, you're you're you're shaking you know, you see your crush shaking you start doing dumb stuff. You're not, you're not in control anymore. Right. The hormones are taking over. Right? You know that feeling right? You didn't know before, right? So you know about law you know about our love is in our love is the answer and love is an important life, but you never experienced it before. Right? So The farther road is the same to me so I knew last I met my wife hi now a lot, a lot A new type of new emotion that was in my brain was just not accessible. So it is a feeling that If I had to describe it like your, your force crush times 1000 combined with the love with them with the respect you have to your mom. Right and

 

Farah Nanji: 1:25:32  

 

Within a lot of protection as well.

 

Francesco Mami: 1:25:34  

 

Our death is different because then that is your den, its protection. Yes, it just you just move the self self awareness, the self protection for yourself, right? He just transposed that to your child. So it's not the changes you get you get more protective. You don't care about yourself anymore, you care about your nest. 

 

Farah Nanji: 1:26:11  

 

Yeah, absolutely. What kind of father do you want to be to your daughter?

 

Francesco Mami: 1:26:15  

 

I want to be half of the My father has been to me. First of all, I would just like to be crystal clear. And being and being more men does mental more our companion in our journey than a university professor like, do this? No, no, do not do this, do this, no, do this, take a listen. Let's try together. And I'll share with you my mistakes. Right? Then, you know, other somehow she's into real good applications and you know, a new way of education. So I rather say I would rather say a I've done like this and it didn't work out then say No, do not do like that. Right? Especially because in a younger mind. The negative or double negative is not, they cannot process it yet. Right. So they, they learn anger and fear more than kurios curiosity and and and, and genuinely at no responsibility.

 

Farah Nanji: 1:27:49  

 

Absolutely. How they formulate and how they make those decisions will affect you and how they approach their thought process in the future. That's beautiful.

 

Francesco Mami: 1:28:00  

 

Yeah, exactly. So it's, it's really it's really important than, of course, I mean, I'm not I'm not an alien. So I already have a radio especially when it's 3am when she's an angel, but in the last couple of weeks she's now she's aggressive. She's grown up. But now when they say when you have your own plans and say okay is 11 hours 11pm I really want to go to bed. And she's not doesn't agree with that plan. Maybe she will want to stay up for another half an hour or another 45 minutes. And she's not fasting she just won't be she just wants to communicate with another human being. But she doesn't have a vocabulary yet. So she's just No, she just she just knows how to cry or not cry or yell or not yell? And maybe it's not a cry off of pain or or discomfort on Fridays and amela happy so you didn't have to deal with that.

 

Farah Nanji: 1:29:04  

 

Absolutely. Okay, Frankie, last question. This is something I've asked all of my guests and it's a very deep question. But In a nutshell, why do you believe we are here on earth? And do you believe something is next for us as a species? 

 

Francesco Mami: 1:29:23  

 

We are here because we are always here and we will always be here. Right? So we just have so basically I recommend being here and being president at this moment. Because we are always here so we don't remember what we've been in the past. We don't remember we have no idea what the future will be and looking for the purpose is taking us away to the results. To the real goal that is being a good human being right the purpose is very simple like everyone every other animal right we're here to procreate and you know and and and and evolves our species right this is every every other living creature creature on earth is trying to do but we live with this we are we are born with this gift of being conscious of what we are at the moment and and and we are we developed a language that can express past present and future so we are able to just not just not leave on our aesthetic but to communicate with other people of our species probably in the future even with other species so without without stealing any philosopher job or any any any any religious figure job is I think we are here to live our moment.

 

Farah Nanji: 1:31:21  

 

Beautiful and do you think there's something next?

 

Francesco Mami: 1:31:25 

 

Oh, there's something messed up that rarely happens when we're not there yet. Definitely. Definitely. There's something next that is definitely evolving. Definitely. Definitely. Something that is coming up. I don't know. I'm just getting ready for it. That's the best thing. Because Yeah, exactly. So the Oh, no, no, no. Are we? everything can happen. So it's better to get ready for it.

 

Farah Nanji: 1:32:04  

 

Absolutely. Well, Frankie, thank you so much.

 

Francesco Mami: 1:32:07  

 

Thank you so much. Thank you so much for you. Thank you so much for your patience to give so much to the viewers. Everyone is interested in our conversation. And thank you so much really made me think a lot so now I have to go back to my daughter.

 

Farah Nanji: 1:32:24  

 

Fantastic. All right, Frankie. Speak to you soon. 

 

Francesco Mami: 1:32:27  

 

Stay healthy. Bye, bye.

 

Farah Nanji: 1:32:31  

 

That was a super insightful chat. I think Frankie touched upon some really valid points about being comfortable with yourself before recognition comes. I think particularly in the creative industries. We've seen so many artists burnout or sadly passed away because they may have been insecure or they may not have been getting the right support from the tribes around them while navigating an industry that has a hell of a lot of temptations and Hedden ism. And it's so easy to lose yourself while you're in that environment riding the waves of success or even failure. I also think that the music industry was one of the first industries to get hit by the pandemic, and it will most certainly be one of the last to come back. So I really agree with Frankie when he talks about embracing the change instead of waiting for things to come back to a point of normality. I know that because Frankie was so consistent in his art and so prepared. When he went into lockdown and DJ and got taken away, his gear shifted towards much more music production. And his desk with production got booked out for the next two years as a result of his skill set. So I don't think he'll be one of those artists that won't be able to survive this pandemic and not be able to continue doing what he loves because he was so prepared before. So definitely check out his work and his mixes which are available on Soundcloud and Spotify. Thank you so much for taking the time out of your day to listen to this episode. I hope you're leaving with some great inspiration that can help you with whatever you want to achieve in your life. If you enjoyed today's episode, be sure to subscribe to your favourite podcast platform so you can be notified when a new episode is posted. It would also mean the world to us if you could rate and review the show and share it with your friends so we can reach as many people as possible. If you want to reach out to me as well you can get in touch directly at DJ.n1nja on Instagram and Twitter. That's DJ.n1nja and also Mission Makers on social media. Thanks so much again for listening. Until next time, Mission Makers stay safe and have an amazing week.